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11-08-2018, 06:28 AM

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CJ is a pro and get the 7? Are US pro way below the level of Asian pros? If a pro is getting that handicap then he should not be called a pro but semi or top level amatuer.
Then you dont understand how goodly the top pros play, compared to the also-rans.
  
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11-08-2018, 06:45 AM

No matter what tournament or a group of kids playing in a yard only 3 out of 128 are supposed to win.

Handicapping is what allows everyone to play. There needs to be much more action.
  
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11-08-2018, 06:47 AM

Exactly. Its a lot like when a scratch golfer says he has a chance against a touring pro. Wrong. Not gonna happen. The elite in their given games/sports play at a level WAY above what you may think.
  
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11-08-2018, 06:50 AM

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Exactly. CJ has Fargorate of 712 while DO has Fargorate of 815. In race to 13 the predicted score is 13:8 in DO`s favor and odds of CJ actually winning such a race are 3,7%. And of course anything longer makes those odds even more ridiculous. Also CJ getting the 7 is basically of very little importance as the vast majority of the games are decided right after the break (runout/safety battle after the break followed by runout) at the level DO plays. CJ is definitely HUGE underdog in this fight and if he is able to keep it competitive then I would be first to say "Wow great work CJ!"
Just curious if Fargo ratings for any given match, when figuring the odds between two players, gives any consideration for one of the players playing in their "home pool room" and playing on their "regular table". Just like any sporting event in which a spread is given, seems like the home field advantage ought to be worth something as far as an adjustment in the spread as opposed to if the match is playing on neutral turf? A pool matchup should be no different.
  
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11-08-2018, 06:54 AM

If you guys think CJ is helpless I dont know what to tell you.

Saw him play a week or so ago(on a BB) and he was running out like he never quit playing.

CJ was a stone cold killer back in the day especially gambling. I dont think he's gonna put himself in a game he CAN'T win.

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11-08-2018, 06:59 AM

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Just curious if Fargo ratings for any given match, when figuring the odds between two players, gives any consideration for one of the players playing in their "home pool room" and playing on their "regular table". Just like any sporting event in which a spread is given, seems like the home field advantage ought to be worth something as far as an adjustment in the spread as opposed to if the match is playing on neutral turf? A pool matchup should be no different.
Since FargoRate includes all non-handicapped 8, 9, and 10 ball matches that they are aware of, the rating is essentially your average play through a variety of conditions. There will always be things like home room advantage, or who has been hitting more balls lately, or who has been feeling more confident lately, or who is getting over the flu, or who just had a big fight or a break up with their significant other, etc, that can have some affect on whether a player plays above or below their average level in a particular match. You have to use your knowledge of these types of things to help predict if each player is likely to play above, below, or on par with their average level of play, but FargoRate gives you their accurate average.
  
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11-08-2018, 07:00 AM

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Just curious if Fargo ratings for any given match, when figuring the odds between two players, gives any consideration for one of the players playing in their "home pool room" and playing on their "regular table". Just like any sporting event in which a spread is given, seems like the home field advantage ought to be worth something as far as an adjustment in the spread as opposed to if the match is playing on neutral turf? A pool matchup should be no different.
Home field advantage is taken into account for the odds of who will win, lose or draw. How good the team is - it’s the rating that counts, all factors already taken account of.
  
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What?? - 11-08-2018, 07:01 AM

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I think the U.S. will always be behind most countries when it comes to pool. The main reason is most folks in the U.S.are out making a living and making a lot more money year after year, building a retirement and having an insurance plan.

Thousands of U.S. citizens make serious bucks in all the major league sports and golf and even darts and bass fishing.

We are a rich country and most of us prosper because we have a plan. Most of us would rather do tat then trying to make a living playing pool.

The Philippine's has never really got a thriving economy going on their own. Not sure why that is, lots of smart folks there, go figure.
What Pool players in this country have an insurance plan, retirement or are building anything year after year? Is that why we cant win the Mosconi Cup, because the poor Europeans have so much time on their hands because they cant find real work?
  
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11-08-2018, 07:18 AM

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Just curious if Fargo ratings for any given match, when figuring the odds between two players, gives any consideration for one of the players playing in their "home pool room" and playing on their "regular table". Just like any sporting event in which a spread is given, seems like the home field advantage ought to be worth something as far as an adjustment in the spread as opposed to if the match is playing on neutral turf? A pool matchup should be no different.
I honestly think there is no such thing, it's an excuse.
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11-08-2018, 07:39 AM

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11-08-2018, 07:55 AM

Then you dont understand how goodly the top pros play, compared to the also-rans.

I saw this firsthand last weekend - watched Dechaine playing a guy 9 ball, giving up the breaks and wild 6,7,8. In about 20 games, Joe Shmoe had I think 2 shots at the 6, and made 1.

The guy was no star, but not completely helpless.

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11-08-2018, 08:01 AM

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Then you dont understand how goodly the top pros play, compared to the also-rans.

I saw this firsthand last weekend - watched Dechaine playing a guy 9 ball, giving up the breaks and wild 6,7,8. In about 20 games, Joe Shmoe had I think 2 shots at the 6, and made 1.

The guy was no star, but not completely helpless.
Ok...then. you wanna play another set with the 5 spotted too? How bout the 6,7,8,9 and the last 4?
  
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11-08-2018, 08:22 AM

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Ok...then. you wanna play another set with the 5 spotted too? How bout the 6,7,8,9 and the last 4?
No need, they were playing by the game and he Would Not Quit, still going when I left.
(And MD sure seemed like a very pleasant cheerful fellow to me. )
  
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11-08-2018, 08:37 AM

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If you guys think CJ is helpless I dont know what to tell you.

Saw him play a week or so ago(on a BB) and he was running out like he never quit playing.

CJ was a stone cold killer back in the day especially gambling. I dont think he's gonna put himself in a game he CAN'T win.

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I agree 100%. CJ was a regular contributor to this forum until the trolls finally chased him off. Too bad because then we could have asked him directly about this match.


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