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Mickey Holiday - 09-03-2020, 10:38 AM

I received a wonderful e-mail from this gentleman a few days ago. He described to me his career in billiards and the many tournaments and players he competed against. He grew up in the Benton Harbor and Grand Rapids area of Michigan and knew (and played against) all the players from Harold Worst to Bob Hunter to Mark Beilfuss to Jimmy Mataya, scoring some victories as well as incurring some losses. He would be in his 80's now.

I'm just wondering who on here knows this man. I'm sure our paths may have crossed but I can't really place him. He played many of the same guys I competed against around Ohio.

I would like to post his letter on here. It's full of great information, including the final standings of the World Straight Pool Championship held in New York in 1966. It was a fifteen man Round Robin event. So far I have not been able to post his letter to me here. If someone knows how to do that, please let me know and I will forward it to you. Thanks


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09-03-2020, 11:39 AM

He hung around Park Billiards in Neptune N.J. in the early 60's.
That was my room as a kid but I dont remember much about him.


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09-03-2020, 11:45 AM

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I received a wonderful e-mail from this gentleman a few days ago. He described to me his career in billiards and the many tournaments and players he competed against. He grew up in the Benton Harbor and Grand Rapids area of Michigan and knew (and played against) all the players from Harold Worst to Bob Hunter to Mark Beilfuss to Jimmy Mataya, scoring some victories as well as incurring some losses. He would be in his 80's now.

I'm just wondering who on here knows this man. I'm sure our paths may have crossed but I can't really place him. He played many of the same guys I competed against around Ohio.

I would like to post his letter on here. It's full of great information, including the final standings of the World Straight Pool Championship held in New York in 1966. It was a fifteen man Round Robin event. So far I have not been able to post his letter to me here. If someone knows how to do that, please let me know and I will forward it to you. Thanks
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09-04-2020, 09:52 AM

Jay, I read an article in a magazine from the 60's about Harold Worst. In the article it said that the only guy Harold was afraid of was a billiard player from Michigan named Jack Foreaker. I've asked tons of oldtimers about him but nobody has ever heard of him. Can you ask this guy if he ever heard of Jack?
  
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Jay, I read an article in a magazine from the 60's about Harold Worst. In the article it said that the only guy Harold was afraid of was a billiard player from Michigan named Jack Foreaker. I've asked tons of oldtimers about him but nobody has ever heard of him. Can you ask this guy if he ever heard of Jack?
I've not only heard of him, but I saw him play in Detroit in 1963. He had a reputation as a formidable hustler. They just called him Foreaker. I will ask Mickey about him. I'm sure he knows of him.


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09-04-2020, 10:53 AM

Is this Mickey related to the Holliday he wrote a book about High Runs in 14.1 ?


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I've not only heard of him, but I saw him play in Detroit in 1963. He had a reputation as a formidable hustler. They just called him Foreaker. I will ask Mickey about him. I'm sure he knows of him.
Ask Mickey about Ernie Lager ,Fast Eddie and One Poke from Neptune N.J..
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09-05-2020, 10:52 AM

Here you go Jay, sorry it took so long, I don't generally get on the computer on weekends
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09-05-2020, 11:00 AM

Man, what a great read. I'll have to show this to a buddy of mine who grew up in Detroit and played with some well known players.


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Jay, I read an article in a magazine from the 60's about Harold Worst. In the article it said that the only guy Harold was afraid of was a billiard player from Michigan named Jack Foreaker. I've asked tons of oldtimers about him but nobody has ever heard of him. Can you ask this guy if he ever heard of Jack?
I used to have lunch sometimes with Baby Face and Jack Foraker...and a couple times
Jimmy Moore was in our group.
It was said that Foraker was Willie Hoppe’s speed....but chose the action route.

He showed some guys a carom situation...cue ball center table, red ball in the corner, other
ball in the kitty corner...showed three ways of making the carom..but wanted $100 for the
4th way. A few years later, Larry Johnson showed me the best way..rail first, twice around
the table. But that was on a heated slate, I don’t know if I could do it on the conditions
Forakers played under...he was a big powerful man.

Forakers told me about the time he took Jimmy Moore to Pontiac for bar action..the guy
would only play for $2...Jimmy played anyway...the guy had a bumpy old stroke, and ran
22 racks on him...Jimmy couldn’t stop laughing, when he broke dry on the 23rd break,
Jimmy put away his cue. When he’s telling me this, he was laughing again. Foraker asked
“What are you laughing about? It cost us $44.”


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Man, what a great read. I'll have to show this to a buddy of mine who grew up in Detroit and played with some well known players.
Thanks so much for posting this. I thought it was a great letter worth sharing on here. There were guys like Mickey in every corner of the country back then, good "shortstops" who were capable of giving anyone a tough time on the table. These were guys I played and learned from.


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