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Jump Shots are Fun...How would you play this? - 06-18-2009, 09:58 AM

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$5 8-ball Bar Tournament. 8 foot bar box. Race to 2 on the winners 1 on the losers. Final match. Final game. My opponent plays safe to leave me with the layout shown, I am shooting stripes:

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I successfully make the jump shot on the 12 and fail to hold the cue ball to where I could possible make a cut or bank shot on the 8. Resulting layout shown on page 2. My opponent (good friend and fellow member here on AZ) starts egging me on to make the jump shot on the 8, in which I was considering, but knew it was highly unlikely to make the shot and good chance of losing right there.

I decided it was all in good fun and I wanted to try the jump on the 8. I have a good jump shot, but that is a precision shot. I gave myself 1 in 20 odds to make it. I ended up jumping too far and the cueball went off the table resulting in a loss of game. My opponent gave me one more chance to try it again, and on the second try I jumped over the 8 and right in the side pocket.

My opponent then attempted the shot just for fun, and he hit the top of the 8, which went in the side, but the CB wend flying off the table.

Any other options I should have considered? All in all it was fun, and my opponent bought me another beer for good measure.


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06-18-2009, 10:22 AM

I would have gone for a two rail kick (because I kick better than I jump) to make the 12 rather than jump. That way, I have a better chance of getting a shot on the 8. It's too difficult to get a shot on the 8 jumping with the layout shown. Just my two cents.
  
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06-18-2009, 10:41 AM

you should have kicked at your ball 2 rails. the odds of you getting a shot on the 8 are higher that way.

no real way to jump that and keep the cb on the table with any amount of control. you have to kick 1 rail at the 8 and try to cut it in. or tie one of his ball sup
  
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06-18-2009, 10:41 AM

Trying to jump across the side of the table, over a ball, and onto a ball (the 8) close to the pocket and close to the obstructing ball is risky to say the least.The cue ball would be coming down at a fairly steep angle to avoid the obstructing ball. Could someone hit it "just right" and make it? Probably. But there are more ways for the shot to go wrong that for it to go right.

Like Randy9Ball, I probably would've gone for the two-rail kick, or possibly even tried to go rail first with enough right English to touch the 8. I haven't tried many shots like this on a bar table.

If it isn't a loss of game in your tournament rules to make an intentional foul when you're shooting the 8-ball, you could push one of your opponent's/friend's balls into another and hope he messes up the runout. For example, push the 7 up against the 5 and 6.


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06-18-2009, 11:12 AM

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06-18-2009, 12:16 PM

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Trying to jump across the side of the table, over a ball, and onto a ball (the 8) close to the pocket and close to the obstructing ball is risky to say the least.The cue ball would be coming down at a fairly steep angle to avoid the obstructing ball. Could someone hit it "just right" and make it? Probably. But there are more ways for the shot to go wrong that for it to go right.
I completely agree with this, however, at that point I felt like just having fun and going for it. Besides I was firing in jump shots pretty good last night. Under different circumstances I probalby would have tried a one rail kick off the foot rail to pocket the 8 in the side, or at least make a good hit and make him run out.

Thanks for the reply.


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06-18-2009, 12:19 PM

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You played it right, knowing your skill set and that of your opponent. I'd have bet against you seeing the table again if your opponent got up.

Great playing last night, tho.

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Thanks DD. I would have bet against me too, if I was watching me try this. Like I said i gave myself 1 in 20 to make it. It's always good to shoot with you. You should come out for some 9 ball at the PH tonight.


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06-18-2009, 12:29 PM

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you should have kicked at your ball 2 rails. the odds of you getting a shot on the 8 are higher that way.

no real way to jump that and keep the cb on the table with any amount of control. you have to kick 1 rail at the 8 and try to cut it in. or tie one of his ball sup
I agree. Playing the jump on the 12 means you're sacrificing position on the 8... unless you are an experienced jumper. In which case, you could jump with a slight draw and leave yourself in good shape for the 8. Still, the kick on the 12 seems like a safer bet.


Seeing as how you played the jump and ended up where you did, I would play a one rail kick on the 8 just to make a hit. The unfortunate part is, you'd have to give it a little umph to get something to hit a rail. But the results will be a LOT better than losing the game on a table foul.
  
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06-18-2009, 12:34 PM

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I agree. Playing the jump on the 12 means you're sacrificing position on the 8... unless you are an experienced jumper. In which case, you could jump with a slight draw and leave yourself in good shape for the 8. Still, the kick on the 12 seems like a safer bet.


Seeing as how you played the jump and ended up where you did, I would play a one rail kick on the 8 just to make a hit. The unfortunate part is, you'd have to give it a little umph to get something to hit a rail. But the results will be a LOT better than losing the game on a table foul.
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06-18-2009, 01:38 PM

This is a very difficult situation to be in but not hopeless. Regardless of which shot you attempt on the twelve it does not guarantee a makable shot on the eight. The eight appears to only have the side pocket available but only as a deep cut.

The jump shot could leave you hooked like it did which would be disastrous and most likely a sure loss of game. The masse that Neil suggests is a viable option to assure that you can at least see the eight after pocketing the twelve in the side. Being able to see the eight will allow you to position it to a location that will at least put pressure on your opponent and may result on you getting another shot, depending on their skill level.

There is also the option of a one rail kick from the long rail near the side pocket with a little bit of right english to to reverse the cue ball but this also positions the cue ball away from the eight ball.

The best option IMO is the one rail kick from the short rail to the twelve. This takes the cue ball in the direction of the eight and gives more opportunities for the eight and a possible win without having to turn the table over.
  
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what to do - 06-18-2009, 04:52 PM

i think you played it right depending on your skills. the jump is not hard and depending on table speed, type of jump cue, etc. it would not appear to be tremendousily difficult to end up with a good shot at the eight. Massing the cue is an opition to insure a good hit i think, but to make to ball and hold shape will require a percise speed and ball control. Kicking one rail will insure a good hit but to make the ball?? Probably not! all things considered the jump was the way to go at the stripe ball and kick to make a good hit at the eight if you don't manage to hold shape
  
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06-18-2009, 05:21 PM

Interestingly enough....

I would have shaved the 7 ball into the 5 and carom into the 2 driving it into the rail thereby making the 7-5 a mess and moving the 2 to a rail leaving a multiple problem situation where even if they used the ball in hand to fix one the run out would be problematic...


but thats just me....


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06-18-2009, 05:24 PM

I would have kicked the 12 in the side, the shape is natural and making that kick is fairly simple as far as kicks go.
  
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06-18-2009, 06:17 PM

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I would have kicked the 12 in the side, the shape is natural and making that kick is fairly simple as far as kicks go.
This would also be my choice. I like the cue ball going to the eight after making the twelve. I believe anything else is low percentage for a win. I don't like making the twelve and have the cue ball going away from the eight. Not winning from here against a fairly decent player is most likely a loss.
  
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06-18-2009, 06:17 PM

Simple really, shoot it Eric Yow style!

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Seriously though, I like the two rail approach as well for possible position on the 8.


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