Define "going over the line" in a pool forum or any forum for that matter

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What constitutes "over the line" behavoir? Think about it, with all the forum flame fests you may see, what do you classify as over the line behavoir?

Some meaningless name calling?

Would it be, stalking people off the forum via e-mail or facebook?

Would it be leaving your messages in the rep area so they couldn't be seen by others, other than the intended target?

Would it be calling their actual work related professions or trying to do damage off the forum in someones personal life?

Just curious to what people would feel unsecure with having happen to them?

So if any of these would happen to you, which would bother you the most?

JV
 
I think everyone has their own "line". IMO, it is all relative to how thick their skin is.
 
calling their actual work related professions or trying to do damage off the forum in someones personal life


way over any line
 
I think its over the line when you take things outside of the forum. What happens in the forum stays in the forum. Messing with someone's home life, work life, private life, is way over the line. Same thing goes for stuff that happens in the real life pool hall.

Now, I'm talking about the normal bs keyboard warrior attacks. If someone robs you with a non-shipment or steals your cue, etc, then the lines change and you can invade their personal space outside the forum.
 
What constitutes "over the line" behavoir? Think about it, with all the forum flame fests you may see, what do you classify as over the line behavoir?

Some meaningless name calling?

BRING IT


Would it be, stalking people off the forum via e-mail or facebook?

DON'T know enough about "social media" to form a meaningfull opinion

Would it be leaving your messages in the rep area so they couldn't be seen by others, other than the intended target?

BRING IT

Would it be calling their actual work related professions or trying to do damage off the forum in someones personal life?

PITY THE FOOL


Just curious to what people would feel unsecure with having happen to them?

So if any of these would happen to you, which would bother you the most?

JV

of the aforelisted the only thing that would get me out of the water is f%@king with my ability to provide.
 
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I think its over the line when you take things outside of the forum. What happens in the forum stays in the forum. Messing with someone's home life, work life, private life, is way over the line. Same thing goes for stuff that happens in the real life pool hall.

Now, I'm talking about the normal bs keyboard warrior attacks. If someone robs you with a non-shipment or steals your cue, etc, then the lines change and you can invade their personal space outside the forum.

I think this covers it rather well. Leave the personal life and any attacks related to personal life out of it. Definitely don't bring family into the picture. Don't do anything that would negatively impact someone's income.
 
What constitutes "over the line" behavoir? Think about it, with all the forum flame fests you may see, what do you classify as over the line behavoir?

A good question and a good conversation for any community to have.

Some meaningless name calling?

I see no problem as long as it's within reason. Some good moderators with common sense should be able to clearly see that line.

[qoute]Would it be, stalking people off the forum via e-mail or facebook?[/quote]

Yes that is over the line. Posting of someones address, kids pictures, hacking profiles, or other personal information. Contacting someones job or looking to screw with their business is way over the line. Unless the person being called out is a known scumbag and deserves to be called on their bullshit (like scamming people out of money) but those cases I've almost never seen.

Would it be leaving your messages in the rep area so they couldn't be seen by others, other than the intended target?
Unless just plane flames using explitives I don't see the problem. Has anybody figured out how to post images via rep. I'm a moderator a game forum, and when that happened the gay porn in your rep started instantly. Compared to all other forums I belong to, this place is by far the most civil and respectful at least in my experience.


Just curious to what people would feel unsecure with having happen to them?

So if any of these would happen to you, which would bother you the most?

JV

I've seen people doxed, had their facebook hacked and pictures of their family posted and photoshopped to make them look like a fool on a different website. You could have let that really bother you, most people would. I'm not the most deligent poster here, but I lurk everyday and I haven't seen nothing approaching that level over here. Which is a good thing, letting the douchebags get away with everything can really ruin a community.
 
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Stalking offline and via email or fb posts......imo are way over the line.

Messing with the ability to provide for your family (work/job/etc.)........imo are WAY over the line.
 
What constitutes "over the line" behavoir? Think about it, with all the forum flame fests you may see, what do you classify as over the line behavoir?

Some meaningless name calling?

Would it be, stalking people off the forum via e-mail or facebook?

Would it be leaving your messages in the rep area so they couldn't be seen by others, other than the intended target?

Would it be calling their actual work related professions or trying to do damage off the forum in someones personal life?

Just curious to what people would feel unsecure with having happen to them?

So if any of these would happen to you, which would bother you the most?

JV


Stalking a forum member in another venue and/or contacting your work place would, in my mind, be beyond the pale. With any proof of that kind of behavior, the offending member should receive an immediate and permanent ban.

Lou Figueroa
 
What constitutes "over the line" behavoir? Think about it, with all the forum flame fests you may see, what do you classify as over the line behavoir?

Some meaningless name calling?

Would it be, stalking people off the forum via e-mail or facebook?

Would it be leaving your messages in the rep area so they couldn't be seen by others, other than the intended target?

Would it be calling their actual work related professions or trying to do damage off the forum in someones personal life?

Just curious to what people would feel unsecure with having happen to them?

So if any of these would happen to you, which would bother you the most?

JV

Something I think is quite common is to make derogatory remarks (using a person's real name, sometimes address and phone number) in order for the badmouthing to appear in a Google search. This is a form of harassment in my opinion and over the line. If it's to expose a crook, well then that's a different subject.

While most of the people here seem to be really cool, the world is full of psycho's who are now empowered by the internet. Switch on a Dateline any night to see the type of people who will stop at nothing to exact revenge.

What would bother me most is any false statement or release of any unauthorized personal information about me which would hurt my business, my family or my personal reputation.
 
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Stalking a forum member in another venue and/or contacting your work place would, in my mind, be beyond the pale. With any proof of that kind of behavior, the offending member should receive an immediate and permanent ban.

Lou Figueroa

I agree, but there's a gotcha -- what constitutes "proof"? Copy/pastes of text from Facebook is unreliable, because you can type in anything you want. Screenshots are also unreliable, because some folks are extremely good with image editors, and those can be modified. (Especially if you're trying to show the text that someone typed in e.g. a Facebook PM. While the fonts offered in an image editor are slightly different than the fonts in the screenshot [and their slight difference can be seen with a sharp eye], someone who's real good with cropping and re-pasting small pieces of the image can "copy/paste" the fonts from elsewhere in that screenshot, assemble the words in much the same way as assembling a threat letter with words from newspaper cutouts, and unless they do a terrible job matching the background behind the letters, you won't be able to see that the image was manipulated.)

I offer this, because "proof" is kind of a moving target with some of the editing tools available today, where all of it can be forged, and it takes a very trained eye (and skills to analyze the binary code). I work in the information security field, and although I can't talk about most of the stuff I've worked on, I can share with you that some of it will really make your head spin, at the ends people will go to to try to incriminate someone else, or redirect the audit trail onto someone else.

Putting that aside for the moment, I would say that once a spat has broken out in one forum between two parties, any efforts by one party to communicate in a negative way to the other party using means outside of the original forum, constitutes harassment. The only difference might be if that one party is trying to smooth things over with the other party, and is using the other means / outside communication as a way of getting away from the original [negative] forum. But if the second party is not receptive to the first party's offers of an olive branch, we're back at square one, where the second party may now try to prove that the first party is trying to harass (and using all the text-/image-editing means at his/her disposal). In other words, "you can't win for losing."

-Sean
 
Stalking offline and via email or fb posts......imo are way over the line.

Messing with the ability to provide for your family (work/job/etc.)........imo are WAY over the line.

Agree with this...of course for the first part of your reply you can always block emails and facebook people. On FB I believe you can only make it so your "friends" can post on your page... I'm not an expert on this but I believe I changed that setting a while back.
 
Attacks outside the forum is a no-brainer.

Within the forum? Well, I like that the idea of no name-calling of any kind.
It's not often enforced. Good luck reporting someone for a really mild one like "idiot"
(which is the example they give in official warning sticky).

Rather than "I should have thick enough skin to accept namecalling",
I think it's "they should have thick enough skin to accept a different opinion
without getting all pissy and personal about it".

It also strikes me as pretty low when someone drags family into it,
or implies the other person is a pedophile, rapist, etc.
 
crossing the line

Maybe this thread will shed some light on this problem. There are members on here who cross these lines mentioned all the time. Everybody knows it.
 
Hmm. A timely topic.

Where's the line? IMO, for any decent person, the line is clear. When you cross into someone's personal life to the point where you can cause some actual harm THAT IS OVER THE LINE.

Trying to call someone's employer, harassing their family members, etc are some of the things I feel are way past just barking at someone.

Whats the retribution for a dirtbag move like that? Well, that just depends on the individual and how crazy they are.


Eric
 
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