★ Aiming Systems ★ Techniques ★ Etc.

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8pack said:
I agree Robin. When it comes to aiming it should always be about, this is how I do it.
Give the person the directions, hopefully they find the way.
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8pack,
One reason I don't raise much cane about the aiming war anymore is primarily one thing that I had to learn over a period of time.

My system or Stans or anyone elses doesn't matter much to a new player so really no harm is done. Do you know why?

New players who don't have a stroke or stance aren't ready to fathom any kind of aiming system. Most of them really want to be left alone so they can hit balls and enjoy their time at the table. They want to have fun. Fancy that, people play pool because its fun!

When a player gets far enough along to want to get serious then they will start to investigate ways to aim and will come to places like this or on Amazon or elsewhere.

If the authors instruction is clear enough then the aspiring player will get it and those comments will reflect the validity of the system.

So in that respect what we say here....does it really matter? lol

World domination via Aiming System for Pool! Whoo Hoo! That's what I'm talking about aim those balls boys! lmao.

Again my warped sense of humor....I apologize profusely.
 
336Robin said:
Joey,
Its possible I haven't made my point clear enough. I am not bashing CTE or anything to do with it, that's not my intention. I am talking about aiming in general and have not to my knowledge typed the letter CTE up until this post.

When you stand back and look at CTE you have to admire what Stan has done with it regardless of how you feel about it. Were I him I would be proud of my accomplishments. I do however just not get it when he is boastful, why all that? That sort of thing ignites the very fires we are discussing right now. Really!

The other side is obviously not happy with the claims and boasting so if people only want to discuss CTE in peace then why not practice some peace loving behavior and not rubbing people raw on purpose.

Yes I have an aiming system or protocol and I play well enough and work with the material improving it which is getting a lot better and working with Aiming with English and how to best describe that to a player. I have some happy customers and Im good. I will let my material stand on its own and everything will be ok.

I hope you and everyone understand I am not attacking CTE but the tirade around it.

Hijacking threads for the sake of CTE or selling cue cases is still hijacking. I am only pointing that out. CTE doesn't bother me in the least. I hope I am staying on subject here but I think I mistook your first post.

I have worked with the reflections off of the balls as a useful aiming system and I will tell you I don't like it because its not. Its never made its way into any of my material not even to discuss it.

You see I didn't mention CTE but I could have.

Rick,
I am trying to leave my personal feelings about Aiming out of this thread, really I am. I am not going to criticize anyones aiming technique but I do find that continual arguing over it is counterproductive to a open forum. At some point do you not agree to disagree?Yes you have a right to your opinion but really man you and JB and whomever should be able to find more to argue about. Just because I used someone elses quote doesn't mean anything other that the words itself. Chill be cool I am. In fact we probably share some opinions I am just not going there right now. Maybe if we would practice some tolerance on both sides things would improve here. If you notice I said a few things suggesting the same to the other side of this ridiculous argument.

These claims are what they are and whether its objective a system or not to me isn't argueable as long a pool player has to deliver the shot that ability to be objective will only be measured by the individual player. The one who feels as if it is objective or not. That is for the customer to decide. I think you have and I know I have.

When people sling fuel on the fire its to get attention.
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Robin,

It's NOT about attention at all, at least not on the side that objects to to the assertion.

Did you notice how completely quiet it was for many many months on end regarding IT.

No one was saying anything about it. No one was saying it's not this or it can't do that, etc.

It's only when the 'marketing' assertions that have not & can not be proven, but go against rational logic, are 'shouted' that others come out in opposition.

How many individuals would you like to be 'sold' by & on that assertion & then waste much time & effort looking for & trying to find what is not there?

Anyone should buy & try whatever one wishes but they should not be misled as to what they are buying. That is what the objection is by those voicing their objections.

Best Wishes.
 
We can agree

ENGLISH! said:
Robin,

It's NOT about attention at all, at least not on the side that objects to to the assertion.

Did you notice how completely quiet it was for many many months on end regarding IT.

No one was saying anything about it. No one was saying it's not this or it can't do that, etc.

It's only when the 'marketing' assertions that have not & can not be proven, but go against rational logic, are 'shouted' that others come out in opposition.

How many individuals would you like to be 'sold' by & on that assertion & then waste much time & effort looking for & trying to find what is not there?

Anyone should buy & try whatever one wishes but they should not be misled as to what they are buying. That is what the objection is by those voicing their objections.

Best Wishes.
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Rick,
I agree I think the boasting and claims are a subject that lights up the fires on here. Since I haven't bought the DVD I really cant say much about it. Ive seen so much posted on it I can understand it about as much I I want to.

You are right there was peace in the forums for quite sometime. I started noticing that other subjects were getting picked on and other people....lol

Its almost as if someone has to be the whipping post so they found other victims that were saying this or that, that's wasn't either popular or was viewed as a bit inflammatory.

 
ENGLISH! said:
Joey,

Please check your message box.
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Joey,

How did you fill up your message box so I could not reply, since you wanted to just have YOUR say & not really discuss it?

That's part of the problem.

Some want to say whatever they wish & not have it discussed.

What if I were to say that the cues JoeyA sells are not DiamondWood but are instead made of plastic & hit like crap.

The hit like crap part would be an opinion.

The first part about what they are made of would be a false statement.

I guess you would just sit quietly & let it be known that JoeyA is selling plastic cues as DiamondWood cues.

Same with JB. What if one were to say that his 'leather' cases are not made of real leather but are really vinyl?

I guess he too would sit quietly by & let that be continually said with no confrontation.

I hope both of you can see & understand the points.

Best Wishes.

PS I like the Diamondwood Cue & I think John's cases are the best on the market.
 
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JB Cases said:
You all seem to think that you have the right to poison discussions everywhere. Ha, ha....I've heard everything now. So I'm the one making every thread about ME hm...? Also I'm "poisoning discussions everywhere"? I'm sorry, but that is the most hipocritical statement I've ever heard, possibly of all time. Coming from anyone else, I might have been offended, but really! You don't. Try to interfere with discussions and lectures in real life and you will be removed.I don't do it in real life, and I don't do it here. Never been banned, never got a warning. What's your record on the forum? It's an interesting choice of words, though. "Interfere". Taking a contrary viewpoint is interfering with discussion?

No one is saying you can't voice your opinion. Ahem...Read the OP's first post again, please. That is exactly what he is saying. If you have something negative to say about a method, technique, you are "preventing" others from trying it. Start a thread talking about all the negative crap you want and dare anyone to prove you wrong. Yep, sure. Let me start a shitsstorm with my online enemies that ends in people getting physically threatned, then go nuts at everyone and get banned...Oh, wait. I don't have online enemies, and generally don't threaten people. I don't make statements like "I have the perfect technique for absolutely everybody", maybe I should from now on. Nor do I start threads about "negative crap". You will get plenty of conversation.

But why go INTO every thread where enthusiasts are discussing these methods peacefully with the intent of studying the finer points and disrupt them? Well, I don't. I post in some Aiming threads and I generally make only a few posts. I don't spam threads like some people. I very rarely go into the "technical" threads about CTE or other methods,. There are several threads about your beloved aiming system on the aiming forum right now, "unpoisoned" by my presence, and there have been plenty in the past as well, maybe even more in the future.
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So here is what I'm getting from your post:
1. I poison discussions everywhere
2. I "interfere" with discussions
3. I only talk about "negative crap"
4. I go into every thread where CTE is discussed
I'm only listing these points because they may as easily, some would say a lot more aptly, be applied to you. Do you ever read the things you write, I wonder?
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Robin,

It's NOT about attention at all, at least not on the side that objects to to the assertion.

Did you notice how completely quiet it was for many many months on end regarding IT.

No one was saying anything about it. No one was saying it's not this or it can't do that, etc.

It's only when the 'marketing' assertions that have not & can not be proven, but go against rational logic, are 'shouted' that others come out in opposition.

How many individuals would you like to be 'sold' by & on that assertion & then waste much time & effort looking for & trying to find what is not there?

Anyone should buy & try whatever one wishes but they should not be misled as to what they are buying. That is what the objection is by those voicing their objections.

Best Wishes.
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This is a bunch of shit. It started again with the aiming poll thread. Why? Because the naysayers just couldn't help themselves and had to turn it into a CTE thread. The users only got involved as usual to defend the system and our beliefs. Go back and look. We were baited for two pages before we said a word. Even this thread, not one user said a thing about CTE until the naysayers kept bringing CTE up. Go back and look.
As to the marketing assertions, well you never proved they are what you think they are. Where does Stan market it as a totally objective system? PROVE THAT. You can't.
 
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"Feel" is an aiming system!

randyg

That was at the top of page 2 & PJ responded & it gradually snowballed.
 
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cookie man said:
This is a bunch of shit. It started again with the aiming poll thread. Why? Because the naysayers just couldn't help themselves and had to turn it into a CTE thread. The users only got involved as usual to defend the system and our beliefs. Go back and look. We were baited for two pages before we said a word. Even this thread, not one user said a thing about CTE until the naysayers kept bringing CTE up. Go back and look.
As to the marketing assertions, well you never proved they are what you think they are. Where does Stan market it as a totally objective system? PROVE THAT. You can't.
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So are you now saying that it is not an objective 'system'?
 
cookie man said:
that has nothing to do with my post and you know it. go find the idiot attacks on cte
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Saying that feel is an aiming SYSTEM is what started it as Patrick responded to that & it snowballed...

& you calling disagreement 'IDIOT attacks' is part of the problem especially when rational logic is not in your corner.

I'm not going to get into any more of a back & forth with you.

That too seems to be a tactic.

You have a good evening.

Best Wishes.
 
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cookie man said:
No I'm not. I'm saying it was never marketed as you argued it was for a couple thousand posts.
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So you are saying that it is an objective aiming system.

Correct?

If so, from where did you get that description.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Saying that feel is an aiming SYSTEM is what started it as Patrick responded to that & it snowballed...

& you calling disagreement 'IDIOT attacks' is part of the problem especially when rational logic is not in your corner.
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No it did not snowball from there.
Rational logic, gimme your address so i can send you a few bucks to go buy some
 
ENGLISH! said:
Saying that feel is an aiming SYSTEM is what started it as Patrick responded to that & it snowballed...

& you calling disagreement 'IDIOT attacks' is part of the problem especially when rational logic is not in your corner.

I'm not going to get into any more of a back & forth with you.

That too seems to be a tactic.

You have a good evening.

Best Wishes.
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Bumped for a reread.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
So here is what I'm getting from your post:
1. I poison discussions everywhere
2. I "interfere" with discussions
3. I only talk about "negative crap"
4. I go into every thread where CTE is discussed
I'm only listing these points because they may as easily, some would say a lot more aptly, be applied to you. Do you ever read the things you write, I wonder?
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"You" was a general term not meant for any one person specifically.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Joey,

How did you fill up your message box so I could not reply, since you wanted to just have YOUR say & not really discuss it?

That's part of the problem.

Some want to say whatever they wish & not have it discussed.

What if I were to say that the cues JoeyA sells are not DiamondWood but are instead made of plastic & hit like crap.

The hit like crap part would be an opinion.

The first part about what they are made of would be a false statement.

I guess you would just sit quietly & let it be known that JoeyA is selling plastic cues as DiamondWood cues.

Same with JB. What if one were to say that his 'leather' cases are not made of real leather but are really vinyl?

I guess he too would sit quietly by & let that be continually said with no confrontation.

I hope both of you can see & understand the points.

Best Wishes.

PS I like the Diamondwood Cue & I think John's cases are the best on the market.
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I make videos that address every criticism and show my proof. Just as some aiming system instructors have done.

On this forum some critics were told to put up proof or retract their false statements about my cases. That's exactly how I would handle the critics on the aiming system topics. Put up or shut up.

Basically do your best to demonstrate the issues you claim are there and allow the discussion to deal with those points or just stop poisoning the discussions with accusations that you are not prepared to prove.
 
336Robin said:
8pack,
One reason I don't raise much cane about the aiming war anymore is primarily one thing that I had to learn over a period of time.

My system or Stans or anyone elses doesn't matter much to a new player so really no harm is done. Do you know why?

New players who don't have a stroke or stance aren't ready to fathom any kind of aiming system. Most of them really want to be left alone so they can hit balls and enjoy their time at the table. They want to have fun. Fancy that, people play pool because its fun!

When a player gets far enough along to want to get serious then they will start to investigate ways to aim and will come to places like this or on Amazon or elsewhere.

If the authors instruction is clear enough then the aspiring player will get it and those comments will reflect the validity of the system.

So in that respect what we say here....does it really matter? lol

World domination via Aiming System for Pool! Whoo Hoo! That's what I'm talking about aim those balls boys! lmao.

Again my warped sense of humor....I apologize profusely.
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If someone is serious about the game as a beginner, it does matter. Pro1 and a few others is the not the correct way to learn to play. Better players can put things in the tool box, beginners have a process they must go through to get a tool box.;)
 
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ENGLISH! said:
So you are saying that it is an objective aiming system.

Correct?

If so, from where did you did you get that description.
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So you want me to give you your answer, lol. It's your assertion, where's your proof.
You've been all over Stan for his marketing it should be easy to find your proof.
 
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