★ Aiming Systems ★ Techniques ★ Etc.
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Don't give the post count that some keep wanting to increase for their own ego would be a start. The offenders aren't going for Greenie points.:wink:
my suggestion is to create within this section of the forum
HELP THREADS
for example
CTE HELP THREAD
GHOST BALL HELP THREAD
etc
in these threads there is no discussion allowed about the merits of the system
its only for like minded people to ask questions and receive help from like minded posters /discuss experiences etc but again only from like minded posters
sort of like no non catholics in the catholic bible discussion thread
or no non jews in the jewish religion thread or no non muslims in the muslim koran discussion group
i mean no offence to anyone or any religion or religious person
these threads would be sanctuaries for the methods described in the title of the thread and NO FLAMING OR CRITICISM WOULD BE ALLOWED
there still could be general threads where all the
doubting thomases/critics/naysayers/inquiring minds can have their fun.....
just a suggestion
your thoughts??
constructive comments primarily appreciated
its too bad that i expect alot of flaming to some how creep in........:angry:
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ahhh dunno
Its a suggestion but ya know people are supposed to be nice to one another and that's supposed to be a given. People are supposed to compromise or agree to disagree. One would think that when two people butt heads they could at least back up and say.....this is nuts....and just go find something else to do.
There just isn't anything that can regulate or make better when folks don't understand that much. Standing on the Promises of Aiming when its pool for Christ sakes!
Its just like this thread. Werent we supposed to be discussing the aiming methods we don't like? Well isn't that what happened. Maybe it was supposed to be innocent objective conversation like.
Well I don't like the Reflection System System of the lights on the balls because I can go over to Joes Place and cant make a ball!
and that's what happened in a sense only it was the same cast of characters who cant decide if the yellow moon is made of cheese or its just friggin yellow.
Really I don't think there was anything innocent about the thread itself but its funny that this movie only plays in theatres in the Aiming Section! lol[/SIZE]
Its a suggestion but ya know people are supposed to be nice to one another and that's supposed to be a given. People are supposed to compromise or agree to disagree. One would think that when two people butt heads they could at least back up and say.....this is nuts....and just go find something else to do.
There just isn't anything that can regulate or make better when folks don't understand that much. Standing on the Promises of Aiming when its pool for Christ sakes!
Its just like this thread. Werent we supposed to be discussing the aiming methods we don't like? Well isn't that what happened. Maybe it was supposed to be innocent objective conversation like.
Well I don't like the Reflection System System of the lights on the balls because I can go over to Joes Place and cant make a ball!
and that's what happened in a sense only it was the same cast of characters who cant decide if the yellow moon is made of cheese or its just friggin yellow.
Really I don't think there was anything innocent about the thread itself but its funny that this movie only plays in theatres in the Aiming Section! lol[/SIZE]
my suggestion is to create within this section of the forum
HELP THREADS
for example
CTE HELP THREAD
GHOST BALL HELP THREAD
etc
in these threads there is no discussion allowed about the merits of the system
its only for like minded people to ask questions and receive help from like minded posters /discuss experiences etc but again only from like minded posters
sort of like no non catholics in the catholic bible discussion thread
or no non jews in the jewish religion thread or no non muslims in the muslim koran discussion group
i mean no offence to anyone or any religion or religious person
these threads would be sanctuaries for the methods described in the title of the thread and NO FLAMING OR CRITICISM WOULD BE ALLOWED
there still could be general threads where all the
doubting thomases/critics/naysayers/inquiring minds can have their fun.....
just a suggestion
your thoughts??
constructive comments primarily appreciated
its too bad that i expect alot of flaming to some how creep in........:angry:
I both agree with the idea of help subpages where friendly posts only go, and I further appreciate the opportunity to "argue to our heart's content" about aim. But I cannot abide the disgusting and distasteful way in which some people are viciously arguing. And, to be honest, I'm not thinking of English but some pool teachers here--I'd love to help them improve their systems by frank discussion but they tend to bite all hands, whether they feed them or not.
I have a few things I'd say to improve some current aim systems taught here--all of them constructive criticism not meant to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm afraid to do so. And I'm capable of being a fairly bold person and am a pool teacher as well. I don't know if it's fear of loss of teaching income or jealousy or what--but please behave maturely like adults. You know who you are.
Thank you for letting me get this off my chest. I've fantasized about an in-person aim conference, where a variety of teachers come to some tables together to discuss aim and make everyone's systems ultra-enhanced, but right now... sigh. I don't suppose I'll make more friends here with this post--but I don't feel I have any friends here because I bother to discuss aim on this forum!
I have a few things I'd say to improve some current aim systems taught here--all of them constructive criticism not meant to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm afraid to do so. And I'm capable of being a fairly bold person and am a pool teacher as well. I don't know if it's fear of loss of teaching income or jealousy or what--but please behave maturely like adults. You know who you are.
Thank you for letting me get this off my chest. I've fantasized about an in-person aim conference, where a variety of teachers come to some tables together to discuss aim and make everyone's systems ultra-enhanced, but right now... sigh. I don't suppose I'll make more friends here with this post--but I don't feel I have any friends here because I bother to discuss aim on this forum!
my suggestion is to create within this section of the forum
HELP THREADS
for example
CTE HELP THREAD
GHOST BALL HELP THREAD
etc
in these threads there is no discussion allowed about the merits of the system
its only for like minded people to ask questions and receive help from like minded posters /discuss experiences etc but again only from like minded posters
sort of like no non catholics in the catholic bible discussion thread
or no non jews in the jewish religion thread or no non muslims in the muslim koran discussion group
i mean no offence to anyone or any religion or religious person
these threads would be sanctuaries for the methods described in the title of the thread and NO FLAMING OR CRITICISM WOULD BE ALLOWED
there still could be general threads where all the
doubting thomases/critics/naysayers/inquiring minds can have their fun.....
just a suggestion
your thoughts??
constructive comments primarily appreciated
its too bad that i expect alot of flaming to some how creep in........:angry:
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Yes there is.
English! needs to get over himself. There's little doubt that the posts he enjoys reading the most on this forum are his own.
He's relentless and it overwhelms the forum and kills off productive conversation.
But maybe it's just me...
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Matt,
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that we live in a capitalist society and open sharing on the forum of how and why things work would dilute ones ability to earn because all of the information would be free.
In some design information is kept to a minimum to create the need for instruction and sales. Such as when a computer programmer has a source code. I get asked for samples of system from time to time and Instead of give out part of it I just pass on the opportunity. This way when someone looks at my material they get all of what I have at the time. Its not a lot of money but were I paying a lot of money I would certainly expect comprehension. If that weren't delivered I would likely decline to go further with the project because I would know the source code was hidden. I recently had some work done around my house and I was expecting the job I paid for to be the cure to my problem but it was not and it cost me a great deal of money. Then I had to have more work done to finish the job but when I did that it was but there are at least one other thing that could be done but its optional. The first work was necessary but was not the cure all.
My point is pool does not have to be so complicated and a platform for further instruction does not need to be created and others know this and its no accident in a capitalist society.
The efficacy of the system is the supposed selling point. When you get there you are supposed to be a completely secure all knowing shot maker. So how long does it take to achieve that? From what I have read recently that is hundreds of hours and many have to go get personal instruction.....so
What was gained that cant be gained by revealing the source code?
When a player must deliver the ball that is half of the source code itself and subject to many things to do with the player. The other half of the source code is the information that should have given out completely. It does not appear to me as an accident but it also appears to be a great product in which hundreds of hours are required for mastery and possibly some intense study and lessons. What isn't to love?
When I improve my product and I include the keys to using Spin with it. I will be revealing the entire source code and all that will remain is for the player to practice.
I will absolutely make myself available to the people who buy it so I can support them along the way because that is all they need. They will need to verify that where they are and what they are doing is right and that's really all they need. I do everything in my power to enable the player to improve and to find the answers he seeks in order to learn the game and have an ability to spin the ball and feel the game.
I believe that is where those hours of practice should be spent and not on a center ball system
Matt,
I think it has a lot to do with the fact that we live in a capitalist society and open sharing on the forum of how and why things work would dilute ones ability to earn because all of the information would be free.
In some design information is kept to a minimum to create the need for instruction and sales. Such as when a computer programmer has a source code. I get asked for samples of system from time to time and Instead of give out part of it I just pass on the opportunity. This way when someone looks at my material they get all of what I have at the time. Its not a lot of money but were I paying a lot of money I would certainly expect comprehension. If that weren't delivered I would likely decline to go further with the project because I would know the source code was hidden. I recently had some work done around my house and I was expecting the job I paid for to be the cure to my problem but it was not and it cost me a great deal of money. Then I had to have more work done to finish the job but when I did that it was but there are at least one other thing that could be done but its optional. The first work was necessary but was not the cure all.
My point is pool does not have to be so complicated and a platform for further instruction does not need to be created and others know this and its no accident in a capitalist society.
The efficacy of the system is the supposed selling point. When you get there you are supposed to be a completely secure all knowing shot maker. So how long does it take to achieve that? From what I have read recently that is hundreds of hours and many have to go get personal instruction.....so
What was gained that cant be gained by revealing the source code?
When a player must deliver the ball that is half of the source code itself and subject to many things to do with the player. The other half of the source code is the information that should have given out completely. It does not appear to me as an accident but it also appears to be a great product in which hundreds of hours are required for mastery and possibly some intense study and lessons. What isn't to love?
When I improve my product and I include the keys to using Spin with it. I will be revealing the entire source code and all that will remain is for the player to practice.
I will absolutely make myself available to the people who buy it so I can support them along the way because that is all they need. They will need to verify that where they are and what they are doing is right and that's really all they need. I do everything in my power to enable the player to improve and to find the answers he seeks in order to learn the game and have an ability to spin the ball and feel the game.
I believe that is where those hours of practice should be spent and not on a center ball system
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With that opinion, one can't help but wonder just how much of the threads you have actually read over the years. Or do you just selectively read some of the posts and then make your conclusions? If you really think English! isn't the main problem, you definitely have selective reading.
If you want a source code to CTE, here it is: 1. Have the mindset to learn, not the mindset to discredit. 2. Remove what you currently know about aiming from your mind while learning a new system. The two don't mix very well. 3. Pay attention to the steps given, they are important.
Why does CTE take some a while to learn? Because of those three things. It's really that simple. People have the hardest time with #2. People like to build onto what they already know. It can be very hard to let go of what one knows to build something else in it's place.
I agree on 1,2 and 3
I agree Neil,
Probably one of the biggest things I had to learn about pool involves what I have called Testosterone Poisoning but its not so much something negative at all. Its the I want to do it my way attitude.
People see a table and they want to see what they can do on their own. I think that is natural and really very necessary.
When people get to the point that they want to learn then they are ready. Until then anything you suggest is wasted air. People have to want it. End of Story.
Pool is a personal journey and people want to have it their way.
I agree Neil,
Probably one of the biggest things I had to learn about pool involves what I have called Testosterone Poisoning but its not so much something negative at all. Its the I want to do it my way attitude.
People see a table and they want to see what they can do on their own. I think that is natural and really very necessary.
When people get to the point that they want to learn then they are ready. Until then anything you suggest is wasted air. People have to want it. End of Story.
Pool is a personal journey and people want to have it their way.
Well said, all. But I feel torn with CTE and other systems since I both see their value and see a few flaws here and there. I've lived out helping other teachers and coaches with refining their systems, editing their documents. But they have to be an open book and handle constructive criticism--constructively. I'm not saying the CTE teachers are "off", rather, I'm saying I sometimes don't know who to fear more--the instructors/leaders or the adherents!