1 pocket fouls.

i agree with honest, integrity and self-calling fouls, but, I'm going to play a little devil's advocate here.

The WPA rule reads, "If a foul is not called before the next shot begins, the foul is assumed not to have happened."

In one hole, an advantage can be gained by fouling and spotting a ball. If the opponent doesn't call a foul, is it a foul?

Does that mean I can call a foul on myself when it is actually a good hit but will be to my advantage by having a ball spotted? Imagine the argument, the shooter says he fouled and the opponent says he didn't. :nono::yikes:


Should I lose an advantage because my opponent fouled (think spot shot and tying up ball(s))?

Jus' sayin'....:grin-devilish:

If you call a foul on yourself when it didn't happen, it is the same dishonesty as not calling a real foul.

If winning is more important than personal integrity to someone, I don't want to play with them.
 
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Not admitting to a foul is the same as cheating if you knew you committed a foul. If I am unsure whether I fouled or not I ask my opponent if he/she thinks I fouled and go by his/her answer. I would hope they would be as honest as I am in this situation.

You always call fouls on yourself. This will set a tone that most opponents will adhere to. It's called playing with integrity. Surprisingly when those really close calls do come up your opp will just say yeah, whatever. How could you beat someone in a really close game knowing you would have lost had you been honest.
 
Well i guess i will never get another 1pocket game again,because everybody here knows i cheat,because i dont call fouls on my self, unless they are obvious.oh well ill save money in the long run!
 
I believe in everything you've said and I also believe many here would change their tune if their case c-note was on the line.
 
I believe in everything you've said and I also believe many here would change their tune if their case c-note was on the line.

What goes around, comes around.

I don't expect people to be honest, just the opposite. But I have no use for won money and lost self respect.
 
What goes around, comes around.

I don't expect people to be honest, just the opposite. But I have no use for won money and lost self respect.

Very well said, it always surprises me when I call foul on myself for a double hit and my opponent doesn't even know what I am talking about.
 
As you all know when playing 1 pocket,a lot more fouls occur while playing this game then any other,because everybodys hitting the balls slow and trying to stick the qball on the rail alot,now heres the question,do you think we should call fouls on our selfs,if our opponent happen to be looking right at the shot and does not say anything,should we shoot,or say that we fouled,i always played,where i dont call fouls on my self,unless my opponent ask if i fouled and then i would spot my ball,or if my foul was obvious,then of couse i spot my ball,but there are a lot of real close hits while playing 1pocket,and if my opponent is not paying good attention,he mite miss a foul here and there,and some people will not call a foul on them selfs,if there oppoent does not say anything.

Im gonna say this depends on the opponet I am playing! Meaning If I am playing a gentleman who is very nice and courteous and I have always seen him play good friendly money matches then yes I would call the foul on myself! Now if its some guy who is a loudmouth ***** and who I have seen do dirty things on a few occasions then yea skrew him he should have been watching the table which IS part of the game and I AINT saying crapola IMO :thumbup:
 
so you are saying,if you are shooting and you foul and your opponent does not call a foul you will then call a foul on yourself,i guess we are from different areas and play different kind of people....

While playing for the 14.1 world championship against Luther Lassiter, Babe Cranfield committed a foul that neither Lassiter nor the referee saw. Cranfield called the foul on himself and sat down. So at least one professional has been known to call a foul on himself in a game that mattered.

Cranfield won, by the way. I believe the score was 1200 to 763.

This question came up on onepocket.org, also. It was quite interesting to see the number of people, and who they were, who wouldn't call a foul against themselves. Some of them did qualify that by noting that if they were in a tournament and on the TV table, then they probably would call it.
 
. It was quite interesting to see the number of people, and who they were, who wouldn't call a foul against themselves. Some of them did qualify that by noting that if they were in a tournament and on the TV table, then they probably would call it.

The only reason being on a tv table, they know alot of other people would be seeing it,i still wouldnt call it on myself,unless it was obvious,if it is real close then thats my opponent job to be paying close attention to whats going on.
 
If you are honest, it will follow you. Your reputation will be a very good one, regardless of who you play or how skilled you are.

If you don't call a foul on yourself or ask about a shot, if you're not sure, the cheater reputation will follow you, as well. Even if you don't hear the chatter, it will be there to haunt your game and the only way you can win is to cheat.

If you are a cheater, beware... Few honest folks will play against a cheater. Most likely, the bulk of your games will be against other cheaters, so watch them, closely! They probably play just as sneakily as you and you will have more arguments in games than the honest players, too!

Most folks I know want to play the honest guy, because they KNOW a referee isn't required to play a good, competitive game against them. Skill is the only necessity.

There is never a reason to play against a cheater, when there are so many honest players out there.
 
If you are honest, it will follow you. Your reputation will be a very good one, regardless of who you play or how skilled you are.

If you don't call a foul on yourself or ask about a shot, if you're not sure, the cheater reputation will follow you, as well. Even if you don't hear the chatter, it will be there to haunt your game and the only way you can win is to cheat.

If you are a cheater, beware... Few honest folks will play against a cheater. Most likely, the bulk of your games will be against other cheaters, so watch them, closely! They probably play just as sneakily as you and you will have more arguments in games than the honest players, too!

Most folks I know want to play the honest guy, because they KNOW a referee isn't required to play a good, competitive game against them. Skill is the only necessity.

There is never a reason to play against a cheater, when there are so many honest players out there.

Well said!
 
In all my years of playing pool I have never seen a player forfeit a match in tournament play because he didn't like his opponents 'cheating ways'.

I've actually seen players forfeit a match because their opponent was their horse in the player auction... is that CHEATING?

To all you players that claim 'integrity and honesty' is lost when you do not follow the 'rules'...

-did you ever NOT come to a complete stop at an intersection and realize it afterward and go look for a cop to give you a ticket?

-did you ever find out you didn't report all that you could have on your income tax? did you tell IRS to expect more money?

-Do you really expect anyone would be so idiotic as to not call obvious fouls?

-what if you aren't sure about the call? do you call it on yourself anyway?

-What makes you think you are a rules expert? it has been my experience that the majority of players are still learning the rules, even after 20 years of playing in tournaments or matching up.

-Matching up, rules are what the two opponents agree upon, if you want to continue to have a steady game you always let your opponent win a rules debate, especially if they are willing to pay for the argument. :wink:
 
In all my years of playing pool I have never seen a player forfeit a match in tournament play because he didn't like his opponents 'cheating ways'. No but I have never played that player for money again

I've actually seen players forfeit a match because their opponent was their horse in the player auction... is that CHEATING? Yep

To all you players that claim 'integrity and honesty' is lost when you do not follow the 'rules'...

-did you ever NOT come to a complete stop at an intersection and realize it afterward and go look for a cop to give you a ticket? No, F*k the cops

-did you ever find out you didn't report all that you could have on your income tax? did you tell IRS to expect more money? NO, but if I ever did I better damn well report it or face a possible audit

-Do you really expect anyone would be so idiotic as to not call obvious fouls? Yes, seen it many times

-what if you aren't sure about the call? do you call it on yourself anyway? I would ask if it was a foul, if I did not know

-What makes you think you are a rules expert? it has been my experience that the majority of players are still learning the rules, even after 20 years of playing in tournaments or matching up. Never claimed to be an expert, but know most of them

-Matching up, rules are what the two opponents agree upon, if you want to continue to have a steady game you always let your opponent win a rules debate, especially if they are willing to pay for the argument. :wink:
THere are some people not worth playing even with concessions. Even it is free money
 
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