As you all know when playing 1 pocket,a lot more fouls occur while playing this game then any other,because everybodys hitting the balls slow and trying to stick the qball on the rail alot,now heres the question,do you think we should call fouls on our selfs,if our opponent happen to be looking right at the shot and does not say anything,should we shoot,or say that we fouled,i always played,where i dont call fouls on my self,unless my opponent ask if i fouled and then i would spot my ball,or if my foul was obvious,then of couse i spot my ball,but there are a lot of real close hits while playing 1pocket,and if my opponent is not paying good attention,he mite miss a foul here and there,and some people will not call a foul on them selfs,if there oppoent does not say anything.
1 pocket fouls.
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Honesty and integrity go a long way.
Not admitting to a foul is the same as cheating if you knew you committed a foul. If I am unsure whether I fouled or not I ask my opponent if he/she thinks I fouled and go by his/her answer. I would hope they would be as honest as I am in this situation.
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Where do you see not admitting to a foul at,i said some people dont call fouls on there selfs,if you are unsure you fouled and your opponent does not call foul then what,no foul!sure if i know i fouled and my opponent ask me,i will spot my ball,you did not understand the question,please reread,no where does it say not admitting to a foul!
It is not about honesty or integrity, it's about the rules of the game. In some sports you call your fouls, like in golf. In other sports it is up to the referees or the opponent.
If you think this is going to be a problem with the person you are playing---just ask and agree before you start.
It would be a good idea for this to be clarified when the rules are revised.
If you think this is going to be a problem with the person you are playing---just ask and agree before you start.
It would be a good idea for this to be clarified when the rules are revised.
Very good post TENN!
I think what you're talking about here is the difference between gambling in pool or playing golf. In golf, you are expected to uphold the traditions of the game by counting every stroke and including every penalty, because if not, what's the purpose?
In pool, however, I came up in the school of hard knocks. It's do what you can to beat your opponent. On that note, we should do our part as human beings to not cheat at anything we do. I understand in the pool hall, if you are playing a dirty rotten bastard who cheats every chance he gets and will shark you by going to the bathroom for 20 minutes at a time, it is only natural to do the same thing in return, but if you ask most people including me, that ain't right buddy.. what's even more important, if you have to ask, you might go back and do some reflecting yourself.
In pool, however, I came up in the school of hard knocks. It's do what you can to beat your opponent. On that note, we should do our part as human beings to not cheat at anything we do. I understand in the pool hall, if you are playing a dirty rotten bastard who cheats every chance he gets and will shark you by going to the bathroom for 20 minutes at a time, it is only natural to do the same thing in return, but if you ask most people including me, that ain't right buddy.. what's even more important, if you have to ask, you might go back and do some reflecting yourself.
so when you play, you only spot the ball on a foul if your opponent sees it.
Reminds me of an Earl quote: It wasn't a foul, because the ref didnt see it.
In my book, that defines you as a cheater. To me, integrity is a big part of the game.
The WPA ruloe is stated in the DEFINITIONS section:
8.2 Shot
A shot begins when the tip contacts the cue ball due to a forward stroke motion of the cue stick. A shot ends when all balls in play have stopped moving and spinning. A shot is said to be legal if the shooter did not foul during the shot.
so you are saying,if you are shooting and you foul and your opponent does not call a foul you will then call a foul on yourself,i guess we are from different areas and play different kind of people,because i dont know 1 person that i have gamble with,that if i didnt call a foul on them while i was watching them shoot,if i missed it, it was my fault.
Iam talking about very very close fouls,as of qball a pinch from hitting the rail,not no obvious fouls.
I guess what iam really trying to say in this thread,is if our opponent is not paying very good attention to whats going on in front of him should we be responsable to tell him whats going on!and i mean by him watching the shot and not calling a foul on a close shot.
A foul is a foul.
That is exactly what I'm saying. I've done it several times. I guess I'm just an honest person...
I don't even say the word, "foul." I just spot the ball.
In any event, far more honest than Richie. What does he do if his opponent calls a foul on him when there is none? Maybe he would dispute that call? Earl's maxim notwithstanding, a foul is still just the one thing, and the player who does not call it on himself cheats his opponent, himself, and the very game. World-class billiard and pool players have called self-fouls for decades. It is not a matter of your opponent's inattention, but your own moral fiber. No different than spitting in the chalk.
It is about the rules but also about honesty and integrity.
Winning is not important enough for me to be dishonest and overlook the rules of the game. Nowhere in the rules does it say that a foul is only a foul is your opponent sees it.
It is not my opponents job to be the referee. He is away from the table and does not have the view that I have. I will always call a foul on myself.
One nice thing about playing is Asia is that people do have respect for the game. always play all fouls and call them on themselves.
i agree with honest, integrity and self-calling fouls, but, I'm going to play a little devil's advocate here.
The WPA rule reads, "If a foul is not called before the next shot begins, the foul is assumed not to have happened."
In one hole, an advantage can be gained by fouling and spotting a ball. If the opponent doesn't call a foul, is it a foul?
Does that mean I can call a foul on myself when it is actually a good hit but will be to my advantage by having a ball spotted? Imagine the argument, the shooter says he fouled and the opponent says he didn't. :nono::yikes:
Should I lose an advantage because my opponent fouled (think spot shot and tying up ball(s))?
Jus' sayin'....:grin-devilish:
The WPA rule reads, "If a foul is not called before the next shot begins, the foul is assumed not to have happened."
In one hole, an advantage can be gained by fouling and spotting a ball. If the opponent doesn't call a foul, is it a foul?
Does that mean I can call a foul on myself when it is actually a good hit but will be to my advantage by having a ball spotted? Imagine the argument, the shooter says he fouled and the opponent says he didn't. :nono::yikes:
Should I lose an advantage because my opponent fouled (think spot shot and tying up ball(s))?
Jus' sayin'....:grin-devilish: