10 Ball - is it played like 9 ball
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Agreed, Patrick. That's just as I see it. Ten ball has its place as a fringe game, and I personally enjoy it, but pro pool today is all about nine ball.
Totally agree with Stu here. Ten Ball should be played just like 9-Ball with one additional ball. That alone makes it about 20% harder to break and run the rack (there are stats that back this up). You will rarely see the ten ball made on the break. Maybe only once in 40 or 50 racks, unlike 9-Ball where it is made fairly often.
It is unrealistic to contrast how pros play 9 ball versus amateurs and recreational players.
Pros don’t rely on slop and they play a precise game clearly capable of running the table.
Amateurs do not possess that ability. I can run the table & even a 2nd one but that’s about
my limit in 9 ball. Pros are so much better skilled than the rest of us. It is like comparing a
PGA pro’s performance on a golf course like Spyglass that has a slope rating of 147.7 from
the Blue Tees with how you’d play that same course. There is just no comparison whatsoever.
Pros do not bang balls but amateurs will when they don’t have an easy safety and are faced
with no shot so they bang away and separate the balls secretly wishing something drops. As
far as I am concerned, there should never be luck in pool but of course there can be. I think
the goal should be to minimize the opportunity for luck to decide the winner. It should always
come down to skill like in archery or target shooting. You and your opponent doing battle on
the same range at the very same time in head to head competition where the opportunity for
luck to decide a winner is pretty much eliminated. It comes down to who performs the best.
No luck, no outside factors or variables, just who performs better. That’s how pool should be.
Pros don’t rely on slop and they play a precise game clearly capable of running the table.
Amateurs do not possess that ability. I can run the table & even a 2nd one but that’s about
my limit in 9 ball. Pros are so much better skilled than the rest of us. It is like comparing a
PGA pro’s performance on a golf course like Spyglass that has a slope rating of 147.7 from
the Blue Tees with how you’d play that same course. There is just no comparison whatsoever.
Pros do not bang balls but amateurs will when they don’t have an easy safety and are faced
with no shot so they bang away and separate the balls secretly wishing something drops. As
far as I am concerned, there should never be luck in pool but of course there can be. I think
the goal should be to minimize the opportunity for luck to decide the winner. It should always
come down to skill like in archery or target shooting. You and your opponent doing battle on
the same range at the very same time in head to head competition where the opportunity for
luck to decide a winner is pretty much eliminated. It comes down to who performs the best.
No luck, no outside factors or variables, just who performs better. That’s how pool should be.
I like the call shot and the pass-back but HATE call-safe. If the WPA rules allowed a called carom/combo to win and 10b-on-break to win the game would have much better acceptance. That call shot/call safe 10b last is absolutely boring as shit to play. No excitement for players and especially sweators(if there are any).
It also means the double bank is gone and the “shoot at two balls” concept is gone.
You call it invented as if people just went ahead and made it up on the spot. 10-ball was in the BCA Official rulebook in the 80’s.l, and there were pro tournaments with 10-ball. And people have played 11-ball and 12-ball in private sessions . That’s not new either.
I can’t take your post seriously if you have no idea about the history of these games. Rotation (using all 15 balls) has been around forever and was very popular at one time in the US. Who do you think introduced the game to the Philippines? American Rotation by Joe Tucker is a different game altogether.
6 ball? :blush:
I understand why the pros groomed this game to it's current state. If your traveling ''across the pond'' the rules will allow the players, more chances at getting to the table, controlling the match and winning.
No different than the thought process I used to drive to an event or not. If the event was races to 5 nine ball bar box, I might drive 2 hrs one way, and not do a hotel room.
If it was races to 7....then I'd drive as far as Western KS. If it was alternate break, then I'd for sure drive to Albuquerque. And if it was 8 ball I'd drive to Olathe.
If it was races to 9 in 9 ball winner break or not, then I'd drive to Olathe (600 mi. one way + a hotel room). They have Huge fields averaging 110 players.
Allot of pros look at the cost factor vs the payback % to determine if it's worth the gamble.
The game (8ball?) or 10 ball, or 9 ball or table size, or alternate break or winner break, being used for the event, are a huge consideration for a pro to either show up or not.
It's most always about the $$$ when these guys make their choices on whether to arrive or not.
No different than the thought process I used to drive to an event or not. If the event was races to 5 nine ball bar box, I might drive 2 hrs one way, and not do a hotel room.
If it was races to 7....then I'd drive as far as Western KS. If it was alternate break, then I'd for sure drive to Albuquerque. And if it was 8 ball I'd drive to Olathe.
If it was races to 9 in 9 ball winner break or not, then I'd drive to Olathe (600 mi. one way + a hotel room). They have Huge fields averaging 110 players.
Allot of pros look at the cost factor vs the payback % to determine if it's worth the gamble.
The game (8ball?) or 10 ball, or 9 ball or table size, or alternate break or winner break, being used for the event, are a huge consideration for a pro to either show up or not.
It's most always about the $$$ when these guys make their choices on whether to arrive or not.
Best 10 ball rules for me are called shot and no giving the shot back unless the shooter pockets a ball into the wrong pocket. That prevents cheese safes like calling a ball to the side and shooting it in the corner to get an easy safe.
Unless someone is at a pro level skill playing call safe is just stupid. When an average player is kicking for example, they may make the ball or may not, now you need to stand there for 12 minutes calculating your make % on that shot before you call the ball or the safe. Same thing for an shot that is not seen as easy, now half the banks, caroms, tough cuts are not played. At a high skill level this is much less of an issue, even then I think it's a bit silly.
Unless someone is at a pro level skill playing call safe is just stupid. When an average player is kicking for example, they may make the ball or may not, now you need to stand there for 12 minutes calculating your make % on that shot before you call the ball or the safe. Same thing for an shot that is not seen as easy, now half the banks, caroms, tough cuts are not played. At a high skill level this is much less of an issue, even then I think it's a bit silly.
I like call safe because it adds some pressure on your execution and decision making. But I wouldn’t play it with the kind of guy that plays that slow. I’m happy just playing with a friend of similar skill level. I don’t need to play it for leagues or a tournament.
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Agreed that call safe can, at times, add pressure to your offensive execution, as the price paid for a miss can increase.
On the other hand, call safe makes decision making far simpler and shot design far less complicated, as a) you can't play two different shots at once, b) you can't play defense while you are playing offense, c) you can't play two way combos and caroms on the money ball, d) you can't plan to give yourself a chance at a double bank on a missed bank shot, and e) you can't intentionally give yourself a chance to make a ball while you play safe.
With most of the shots requiring the most imagination inadvisable under call safe rules, the suggestion that call safe puts more pressure on your decision making does not stand up to scrutiny. On the contrary, the decision process is easier, as call safe enables you to ignore certain aspects of the shot planning process that would apply under normal rules. Call safe dumbs down the game.
That sounds like a bit of hyperbole to me.
Do I bank to make the ball or bank to play safe? I can’t have it both ways. There is “pressure” in committing to only one option. Perhaps that decision has less contingencies to consider in that you don’t have to weigh the additional beneficial outcomes that can come after you’ve failed your Plan A, but that doesn’t necessarily translate to less pressure.
Keep in mind, I’m happy with 9 ball as it is. If 10 ball is to be played like 9 ball...I’d rather just play/see 9 ball. It’s not broken, it doesn’t need fixing. I don’t think 10 ball is a superior game to 9 ball. I just get more enjoyment playing 10 ball only when it is a different game to 9 ball. I like the novelty. I don’t need 10 ball to be 9 ball just like I don’t need 8 ball, 1 pocket, banks or any other game to be 9 ball. But I do get that’s a fuzzy statement given the history of how/why these games have evolved.
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No doubt, you should play the game you enjoy. Also, no doubt that ten ball is a little, though not a lot tougher, than nine ball. Call shot is tolerable, though I can do without it, but call safe robs rotation pool of so many of the shots that many of us enjoy the most. Your tastes are your tastes and, for most, pool is to be played chiefly for enjoyment, so play on and enjoy.
It's always entertaining in golf to see a player, shoot a ball from ???
Hung up in a tree limb, or??? the variety of positions they have never encountered. Nine ball gives the players, the game and audience a Great variety of shots/situations and ?
Like the accut-stats video of Ron Rosas hitting a ball on a GC and having it travel the distance on top on the long rail hopping over the side pocket, then end up on the table short rail and continue his run-out.
Luck is part of sports, and pool player$$$$$$$$$$$$$-gamblers-rounders, will always try to groom the situation for THEIR win/$$$$$$, not for the game, why? It's what puts food on their table.
This girl is using the wrong stroke on the golf course.
I think with her stroke, accuracy on the green goes up.
Me too. I primarily play 9B and am not a fan of 10B but when I play, I play with the new rules - call pocket, call safe, etc. but we do play 10 early is a win but it must be called.
Dear Lord, why? It's the single worst thing to happen to rotation pool. It dumbs down the game and somehow tends to make the games even more boring. It results in less banks attempted, less kick-ins attemted and any kind of two way shot really. It makes the game about as interesting as a timeshare presentation.
For what it's worth, I'm probably better at this kind of pool than regular 9 ball and get more wins under rules like this, but I still hate it.
Like the majority of "players" on recreational time, I like to keep my innings in my comfort zone. It's not that there's any super-human patience involved, most just don't want to deal with it and get reckless. That said, if I were able to point and click at everything, I'd do that instead.
All I think I know about American Rotation is that it is 15 balls played in rotation, no slop. Im assuming its played the same in the Philippines, I vdont know, I have never been there as I stated. I was merely pointing out to the poster that I quoted that straight pool is in fact not a rotation game.