10-foot table initially perceived as a "gaff" in the Earl/SVB challenge; not anymore!

[DogsPlayingPool]

Does anyone know if the "former life" history of this particular table is true? If so, I agree that this is then indeed a "gaff" table -- because it inherently isn't a pool table to begin with, no matter what retrofitting took place to it. The point about the thinner slate alone is worthy of consideration.

When I talk of 10-footers from the days of old, I'm talking about the original Brunswick Centennial or Gold Crown with the ashtrays molded into the pocket castings. (I think these had 1.5 or 1.75 inch slate, if memory serves?)

I personally wish I had the required space in my house to properly fit one of those original monsters!

-Sean

Both players faced the same conditions and had practice time on the table so I won't say how much it affected the outcome. But the table was a little gaffey.

The table had some roll to it, even Earl said the middle slate was crowned, which could certainly affect shots to the side pockets, especially those that are slow rolled. The pockets (4.5") were cut funny. There were some pics posted and the facings were definitely flared out more than normal - think Olhausen rattle. And from the pics I saw the facing on one side didn't appear cut at the same angle as the facing on the other side in one of the pics anyway. On top of that, the bed cloth was 860 but the rails were covered with 760.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Shane missed tons of balls that were like 5' long and the last time I checked that can fit on a 9'er. Shane played bad - no excuses!!!

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[zx24]

I agree with this but I believe THIS 10 foot table played a huge roll in the match.

This table had rolls and oddly cut pockets, meaning you had to stroke all shots hard enough that they didn't roll off and soft enough that they didn't rattle in the pockets. Plus this was a 3 piece slate table that was 49 years old and both players said it rolled on shots after the match in their interveiws.

Having a 10 foot table with tight pockets and rolls you can't really shoot many soft shots. I think this threw Shane's speed control off for the match. He had to shoot harder than he wanted to make the shot but in doing so over ran position and was left with multiple long shots every rack. If the table was a 10 foot diamond I think Shane would have taken this match down (it would have been extremely close though, around 95-100). Earl has one of the best forceful strokes in the world, this table fit his style of play and I think that's what really gave him the advantage to take down SVB. Don't get me wrong though Earl outplayed Shane completely, I just think that this particular table gave him too much of an advantage.

There was nothing wrong with the slate on that table when i sold it to Earl and Mike..N.E. Tucker set it up perfectly in his pool room here in Charleston...It had NO roll off to it at all. And the pockets were cut to 4 1/4 at the opening and were cut correctly..It played great for 2 years till we had it tore down when Mike and Earl came to pick it up..I suggest a different table machanic next time..maybe RKC..
ZX24

 

[zx24]

Does anyone know if the "former life" history of this particular table is true? If so, I agree that this is then indeed a "gaff" table -- because it inherently isn't a pool table to begin with, no matter what retrofitting took place to it. The point about the thinner slate alone is worthy of consideration.

When I talk of 10-footers from the days of old, I'm talking about the original Brunswick Centennial or Gold Crown with the ashtrays molded into the pocket castings. (I think these had 1.5 or 1.75 inch slate, if memory serves?)

I personally wish I had the required space in my house to properly fit one of those original monsters!

-Sean

What do you want to know about that table..It was my old table..I sold it to Mike G.
Zx24

 

[zx24]

yes it was a converted snooker table. the pockets had a smaller radius in the curve

That table is a converted pool table from a snooker table..I sold it to Mike G.
Zx24

 

[zx24]

I would like to bet against this.

Look at the rails and count the diamonds. There are 3 in each rail and all an equal distance apart.


Snooker tables have one diamond/dot on the side rails and they aren't an equal distance from the head and foot rails either. The head of the table the dots are where the line of the D is at (where the 2,3 and 4 spot up) and at the foot end the dots are even with where the 6 spots up.


We had both kinds in the room and the first thing I looked at on the stream was how many diamonds on the rails.

I will state it again...THAT TABLE WAS A CONVERTED SNOOKER TABLE.. When i sold to to earl and mike it still had the snooker diamonds on it..
But, we put on the white round stick on eylets for note book paper on the rails for the pool diamonds.. I dont know if they had new diamonds inlayed or what they did to it after they purchased it from me..
ZX24

 

[mullyman]

I disagree. Have a nice day.

You better start reading your history books then.
MULLY

 

[mullyman]

This table played to Earl's strengths and that is shot making. Earl is one of the best if not THE best shot maker in the world. Shane couldn't fade that, but on another 10 foot table that was set up correctly Shane would have done much better than he did.

Read that again. You just said that, in your opinion, Earl is probably the best shot maker in the world. If having a better set up table means that Shane would have done better, doesn't it stand to reason that Earl would have done better too?
MULLY

 

[stevelomako]

I will state it again...THAT TABLE WAS A CONVERTED SNOOKER TABLE.. When i sold to to earl and mike it still had the snooker diamonds on it..
But, we put on the white round stick on eylets for note book paper on the rails for the pool diamonds.. I dont know if they had new diamonds inlayed or what they did to it after they purchased it from me..
ZX24

Ah hah. That's what I was looking at on the stream, the dots on the rail. That's why I said it was a pool table not a snooker table.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Then they really do need to have Glen (RKC) touch it up. It would be awesome then.

 

[spanky79]

Read that again. You just said that, in your opinion, Earl is probably the best shot maker in the world. If having a better set up table means that Shane would have done better, doesn't it stand to reason that Earl would have done better too?
MULLY

that is just to much LOGIC, stop it, lol

some people will never get it, just take there money and smile

 

[Zivan1967]

Read that again. You just said that, in your opinion, Earl is probably the best shot maker in the world. If having a better set up table means that Shane would have done better, doesn't it stand to reason that Earl would have done better too?
MULLY

He could have done better, but I doubt it. A little roll off doesn't matter when you fire them into the hole. Earl is the best at firing in shots and getting shape. Shane doesn't fire in the balls as much as Earl. So i think if the table rolled better it would matter more to Shane than to Earl.

This table was one of the hardest tables i've seen pro's play a rotation game on. No doubt Earl has the upper hand against anyone on this table because of his pure shot making ability. He can come with amazing shots again and again when needed, but if the table was in much better shape Shane would have been able to play closer shape and wouldn't have needed to come with multiple long shots every rack.

I like Earl, when he's shooting good it's fun to watch. Also I'm not saying Shane deserved to win, Earl won it by out playing Shane, but I was commenting that this table played a much bigger part then people realize. I would love to see Shane and Earl again on a 10 foot table that's set up well, and in my personal opinion I think Shane would squeak out a victory.

There was nothing wrong with the slate on that table when i sold it to Earl and Mike..N.E. Tucker set it up perfectly in his pool room here in Charleston...It had NO roll off to it at all. And the pockets were cut to 4 1/4 at the opening and were cut correctly..It played great for 2 years till we had it tore down when Mike and Earl came to pick it up..I suggest a different table machanic next time..maybe RKC..
ZX24

As to what ZX24 said about the table, I don't doubt that when you sold them the table it was perfect but the table they played on was not. The pockets were shown to be irregular and both players mentioned rolls in their interviews after the match. That's why I said what I said.

 

[jalapus logan]

My 5X10 Custom Olhausen. Tight pockets.

I hear everyone talking about the table, but I also hear that a rematch would have at least twice the amount of money bet. Makes you wonder!

I don't think that keeping beer under the pool table is a good idea. Gets too warm down there.

 

[zx24]

He could have done better, but I doubt it. A little roll off doesn't matter when you fire them into the hole. Earl is the best at firing in shots and getting shape. Shane doesn't fire in the balls as much as Earl. So i think if the table rolled better it would matter more to Shane than to Earl.

This table was one of the hardest tables i've seen pro's play a rotation game on. No doubt Earl has the upper hand against anyone on this table because of his pure shot making ability. He can come with amazing shots again and again when needed, but if the table was in much better shape Shane would have been able to play closer shape and wouldn't have needed to come with multiple long shots every rack.

I like Earl, when he's shooting good it's fun to watch. Also I'm not saying Shane deserved to win, Earl won it by out playing Shane, but I was commenting that this table played a much bigger part then people realize. I would love to see Shane and Earl again on a 10 foot table that's set up well, and in my personal opinion I think Shane would squeak out a victory.



As to what ZX24 said about the table, I don't doubt that when you sold them the table it was perfect but the table they played on was not. The pockets were shown to be irregular and both players mentioned rolls in their interviews after the match. That's why I said what I said.

Thats why i suggested a different table mechanic..I didnt want anyone to think i sold them a GAFF table...The only reason i sold it is because it saw absolutely no action on it the whole time we had it set up..It was just to tough for the local players here...Charleston is more of a 7' valley town..Now there is a poker table in its place...Lol...
Zx24

 

[smashmouth]

My 5X10 Custom Olhausen. Tight pockets.

I hear everyone talking about the table, but I also hear that a rematch would have at least twice the amount of money bet. Makes you wonder!

can you tell us like EVERYTHING about that sweet table?

how may slate pieces? how thick? Will Olhausen customize any table to a 10er and what's the process, dealer or factory direct?

 

[wahcheck]

uh huh

Thats why i suggested a different table mechanic..I didnt want anyone to think i sold them a GAFF table...The only reason i sold it is because it saw absolutely no action on it the whole time we had it set up..It was just to tough for the local players here...Charleston is more of a 7' valley town..Now there is a poker table in its place...Lol...
Zx24

That one thing you said about no action on it speaks volumes; the bottom line is Shane was really out of sorts playing on the 10' table, and Earl was not...