I do want to clarify though that I enjoy watching professional matches on 10 ft tables. With a ten footer very few shots/outs are gimmes. I like the suspense it adds to the game.
10 footers
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They aren't really moving to 10 footers. Most recognised championships/tournaments are played on 9 ft tables such as the US Open for example.
Only know of a few events that had 10 feet table like the Diamond 10 ft Challenge.
Also I think the Bonus Ball tables are 10 ft as well.
I'd love to try playing on one though, especially for Bonus Ball =P...
Only know of a few events that had 10 feet table like the Diamond 10 ft Challenge.
Also I think the Bonus Ball tables are 10 ft as well.
I'd love to try playing on one though, especially for Bonus Ball =P...
Limited market for sure.. I'll stick to the BB's and 9's.
I first learned to play 40 years ago on an old decrepit 10' table housed in the basement of my dorm on the SUNY Albany downtown campus. It was probably donated to the university by a local hall converting to smaller tables just to get the tax write off.
It was a horrible table, with dead cushions that were loose in several spots. There were holes and beer stains all over the cloth, and it wasn't even close to level. Even with those big pockets it had, it was humbling, but I loved it anyway because it was the first time I ever had regular access to a real table.
I'd hide the balls at the end of the day, then use a knife to slip open the locked door latch after the dorm office closed for the day. I'd play until I couldn't stay awake, missing half the balls I tried to make, but I was in heaven. I ended up flunking out by the end of the year, in no small part due to the time I took away from my studies in order to play.
If I had the space and money I'd grab up one of those new Diamonds before they change their mind and stop making them. I'd probably ask for 5" pockets, though, but with the pocket angles cut at the same angles as the regular tables.
Perhaps you missed the point.
Or perhaps I wasnt clear.
IMO, a record set on a 6foot, 7foot, 8foot or 9foot table (with standard pockets) is not quite as impressive as setting a record on a 10footer.
Even if someone racked up world titles for 15 years in a row on a bar box, you could never compare that to someone like a Greenleaf, Taberski or even Mosconi. No comparison at all.
So, why not use the same standard, or better yet, a 10footer with tighter pockets, to not just meet, but also exceed the accomplishments of the pros of the past.
People sometimes claim that the pros of today could whip the old school pro's asses. But how can we really know if that's true - if none of them have accomplished what the oldschoolers actually did?
Again, just my opinion. Nothing to "deal with"
I played some on that table. The cloth is not so fresh and the pockets are large to say the least. I think it is great table indicative of a 10 footer but nowhere near the same experience as a fresh diamond big foot table with 4.5" pro cut pockets.
I agree it does not draw alot of play but it might get more play if it was actually at Brickyard as they have more action and woofing etc. I do not see alot of the same at Executives. I have seen local champ Steve Oaks working out on that table occasionally so he likes it.
Well stated.
Can you imagine what Jack Nicklaus could have done in his prime with today's golf clubs, balls, & analytical technology?
He drove some par fours back then with persimmon heads & low flying balata balls. How many could he have driven with today's equipment?
Naturally they would have started moving tee boxes back then too.
Anyway, well stated, Sir & Regards,
I've got a 1938 Saunier & Wilhelm 10 foot home table. On the last move to the current location, I had the pockets double-shimmed.
A couple of my friends who can run out on a 9 footer (4/10 times) have not been able to run out on this table.
In my perfect world, pro events should either be on 9 footers with 3-1/2" pockets or 10 footers with 4" pockets. Then we can start seeing more table maneuvering strategies and tactics. <like that's going to happen>
And yes, I would like to see the come back of 10 foot tables, especially for 1 pocket.
A couple of my friends who can run out on a 9 footer (4/10 times) have not been able to run out on this table.
In my perfect world, pro events should either be on 9 footers with 3-1/2" pockets or 10 footers with 4" pockets. Then we can start seeing more table maneuvering strategies and tactics. <like that's going to happen>
And yes, I would like to see the come back of 10 foot tables, especially for 1 pocket.
Who's making 10 footers these days? I thought the only ones you see on streams are custom conversions...
Diamond makes a 10ft version of the ProAm.
Second link has some construction pics from the factory.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=280295&highlight=diamond
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=275254&highlight=diamond
I'm no authority on much of anything, but I have opinions.
First of all, I spend time in the classifieds here and on craigslist out of boredom. It leads to an occasional purchase as well.
I picked up a 10-foot Brunswick Madison for free (I spent about $500 on travel and incidentals). It has 4.5 inch pockets. It also is a convertible but the long rails are missing. I've been trying to unload this for a while as I no longer "need" it.
I also found a 10-foot Sport King that was custom ordered with pool and carom rails. A good friend traded a cheap 8-footer for it. It is in great condition. He set it up with shims and the pockets are a bit more than 4 inches. It is brutal. My opinion is that yes, the shots are harder. I also believe position play improves because it is necessary to avoid hard shots. We talked earlier. He was no slouch, but his game has improved quite a bit, maybe by 50%.
My opinion is that the pros would do just fine on the bigger tables. I believe that they would adapt rather quickly if that is all they would play on. Before long, we wouldn't notice the difference.
Speaking of 10-foot Anniversary tables, I have one that is all original. It's another craigslist find that I paid $1250 for. Just like the Sport King owner, this guy wasn't a pool player and quickly found that he didn't have enough room for the table..........
First of all, I spend time in the classifieds here and on craigslist out of boredom. It leads to an occasional purchase as well.
I picked up a 10-foot Brunswick Madison for free (I spent about $500 on travel and incidentals). It has 4.5 inch pockets. It also is a convertible but the long rails are missing. I've been trying to unload this for a while as I no longer "need" it.
I also found a 10-foot Sport King that was custom ordered with pool and carom rails. A good friend traded a cheap 8-footer for it. It is in great condition. He set it up with shims and the pockets are a bit more than 4 inches. It is brutal. My opinion is that yes, the shots are harder. I also believe position play improves because it is necessary to avoid hard shots. We talked earlier. He was no slouch, but his game has improved quite a bit, maybe by 50%.
My opinion is that the pros would do just fine on the bigger tables. I believe that they would adapt rather quickly if that is all they would play on. Before long, we wouldn't notice the difference.
Speaking of 10-foot Anniversary tables, I have one that is all original. It's another craigslist find that I paid $1250 for. Just like the Sport King owner, this guy wasn't a pool player and quickly found that he didn't have enough room for the table..........
I'm not sure if there's a 10' Table anywhere even near the DFW area?
There's something about the 5/10 that seems to make all the angles better in my mind. I know the relative dimensions are the same, however, there's something that just seems better about the 10' table. The angles align more congruently it seems, and it may just be my perception, although I definitely believe it in my own game.
I had a 10' Table in my pool room for the 17 years before the pool room was sold and it saw a LOT of action. One pocket on a 5/10 is a much better game because it's not just a bunch of "squeezing" and safeties. You actually have to shoot at your pocket to win and you also better be deadly off the end rail.
At some point Earl and I will play a match, this has been a long time coming, we've talked about doing an exhibition years ago, but it never came to pass. There's no longer a 5/10 in the Dallas area so I miss having one to practice on.....I'm not sure if there's a 10' Table anywhere even near the DFW area?
There's something about the 5/10 that seems to make all the angles better in my mind. I know the relative dimensions are the same, however, there's something that just seems better about the 10' table. The angles align more congruently it seems, and it may just be my perception, although I definitely believe it in my own game.
I had a 10' Table in my pool room for the 17 years before the pool room was sold and it saw a LOT of action. One pocket on a 5/10 is a much better game because it's not just a bunch of "squeezing" and safeties. You actually have to shoot at your pocket to win and you also better be deadly off the end rail.
At some point Earl and I will play a match, this has been a long time coming, we've talked about doing an exhibition years ago, but it never came to pass. There's no longer a 5/10 in the Dallas area so I miss having one to practice on.....I'm not sure if there's a 10' Table anywhere even near the DFW area?
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It actually just had some new cloth put on it a few weeks ago, but regardless you are correct it is not in the same league as the Bigfoot table. I was just trying to say I think the overall 10 ft experience makes it quite a bit harder for C players like myself. You're right I have seen Mr. Oaks hitting some balls on it a few times and he certainly made it look easy.
Tonight I bumped into the table mechanic who worked on the 5x10 GC at Steinway. He informed me that its 5x10 slate Brunswick Gold Crown, not converted from a snooker table.
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