10 MOre thoughts from the U.S. Open 10 Ball (Part 2)

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1) Dippy Dave. Saw Mr. Peat in action first hand. HE IS NOT LAYING DOWN TO ROB EVERYONE like people in the forums are speculating. As he says he wants to be a pool playa and the best way he can do that from his view is by trying to beat the best. Pool players are lined up around the block wanting to play him but he tells them all no unless their names are Gabe, Scott, Corey or people just as good. I watched the end of a 12 hour set against Corey and Dippy Dave was trying his heart out. He doesn't like to lose. But he did. He's smart, knows the game and can move. He just can't shoot very well. In Arizona handicap language he would be a six as a shooter and a 7 as a mover. But he's definitely the most skilled woofer at Pool Sharks. As he handed over a couple gobs of money to Corey a much much bigger glob almost fell out of his pocket. Dippy Dave is just trying to have fun. He's very stuck. And he just doesn't care.

2) I read where people were criticizing how the arena was set up for the 10-ball. I didn't mind it. I felt that it spaced the customers out making it easier to get good seats for particular matches. Obviously space got tighter toward the end.

What I did not like was the
3) Frigid artic like temperatures inside the arena. It was really cold. I swear I saw Roberto Gomez wearing a snuggy when it wasn't his shot. I hadn't been that cold watching a sporting event since attending an amateur hockey match in the 80s.

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3B) The damn music. The Rivera was broadcasting a 60s satellite station throughout the building including the playing arena. I don't mean the best of the 60s. I mean every single song recorded in the 60s. And turns out 75 percent of the music recorded in the 60s sucked. Who knew. We're talking Cowsills and the Leader of the Pack. I found myself hoping for a Monkeys song or even 3 Dog Night after a dose of do0wop or 50s style crooning. Of course my teeth where chattering so...

4) I met the legendary AKA Trigger. She was as gracious in person as she is on the forums.

5a) I was surprised at how close in talent/skill all the top 16 players are.

5b) I was also puzzled at how each player could play so differently from set to set. One of them would dominate a set. And the very next match they would struggle in comparison. I finally came to the conclusion that they sometimes just play perfect. And when they don't it looks like they're struggling when really all they're doing is not playing perfect.

6) Which players watched other players the most. Very few watched at all. Some of it might have been because of the sub freezing temperatures in the room. No. 1 watcher: Shane VB. No. 2 watcher: the young Pinoys. No. 3 watcher: Tony Drago. I have no speculation for any of this.

7) I knew LeeVan was a great player. He's won tournaments and people have told me he's a monster for the money. He won, I just don't know how. He didn't seem to play as spectacular as others, he just won.

8) If you told me I had to pick one player out of the field and bet $10K on him to beat the best player from the rest who would I pick? I'd say Busti but I really can't tell you why.

9) An interesting business analysis note that's probably only interesting to me. Turnout for the 10 ball tournament was very respectable. Next door in the very next room, however, 6500 tournament players participated in the BCA. A big turnout. But only a fraction of those people walked down the hall and bought a ticket to watch the best players in the world. To me that's a sympton of the biggest issue in the business of pool - the disconnect between league players and men's professional pool. And it seems to me that until that huge gap is bridged the pool business is going to have a hard time of it.

10) Everyone whines about bad rolls. We all do it. The pros do it. The hustlers do it. The league players do it. After Superman Gomez got about 10 good rolls against Shane VB in a match Shane started talking to the audience next to him big time. And you know what he was talking about.
Still it's so unsightly. I wish we could all stop. If it wasn't for a little luck in pool you know who'd win all the tournaments - Phil Helmuth.
 
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Part 1 was more funny, this part is actually pretty cool like Riviera cool. That's crazy to me the league players didnt fill the bleachers, even if it was just to go see SVB or their local pro playing. I guess I made a bad assumption when people were complaining about the seating that it was because all the league players flooded the place.

It's fairly typical for most pros to not watch each other or try to catch the end of the match of their next opponent when possible. Other than that, they've seen it all so many times it's all the same. The casino doesn't help either as most of the players are usually easily found at the poker tables or crap tables.

SVB can be a little whiny sometimes and I agree they all need to stop whining about it. It's similar to poker, people often forget when they suck out 10 times when their aces get cracked one time. The stakes were high for them and of the few pros I know, they always want to get the money but more importantly they always want to win. A lot of the times they are just fighting to win in anyway possible.

Good post, rep to u!
 
Great insight mlalum, thanks for your opinions. Its always interesting to hear others' perspectives about big events like this. Hopefully i'll make it out to Vegas next year or even AZ later this summer and run into ya. Thanks again for your insight.
 
Personally, if it's the league finals and we're gonna forfeit a game if I don't hurry up and show... I may still skip out to watch the best players in the world play 10b. Ok, I wouldn't, that's a dìck thing to do... but man, every second I'm not needed shooting, I'm next door watching the pros.

I think the disconnect isn't just leaguers vs. pros, it's everyday people. It's like the pro pool world is this entire other planet. It's a planet you may never bump into even channelsurfing on ESPN since it's always trick shot magic. I was watching a stream at work and said it's a tournament and that they were playing for a 20k first prize. My coworker was like "twenty THOUSAND? for POOL?!"

...we're all complaining how small the pool prizes are compared to other sports but there's apparently a lot of guys out there who think of pool like foosball or darts. Wait, I just did it too... foosball tournaments can have over 100k first prizes and darts over 250k.

Anyway, interesting comments. Good to see that shane is sort of like the rest of normal humans... he's young and not-jaded enough to be interested in watching the other pros shoot, and like anyone else he has trouble fading the bad rolls.

Any observation on which players drew the biggest crowd of spectators?

PS - I hate when they get the temp wrong but at least they erred on the side of caution. Too hot is really obnoxious when your bridge starts sticking... getting a glove fixes it, but they don't smell too fresh afterwards.
 
Nice reading about these things from people that go there. I'm on the east coast and not much time or money to travel so I need to watch video, but that only shows you the table, not the side stuff that is usually just as interesting.

About #9, I notice this a lot with the lower level of players. They are not interested in playing or watching anyone better than them. They play as C and D players, and they play other C and D players. It's probably an ego thing, I am better than the hacks and friends that I beat when we go out, but anyone that knows how to play position is trouble. They don't want to play someone that makes them look bad or challenges your perception of yourself as a "good player".

Many times I have had people at work, other places, hear that I play pool and want to take me on. Then they see what an proper game of pool is about and I never hear from them again. I am thinking this is why those 6500 people don't go near the pros, and I'm betting they don't even go near the A and B players in their home towns.

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9) An interesting business analysis note that's probably only interesting to me. Turnout for the 10 ball tournament was very respectable. Next door in the very next room, however, 6500 tournament players participated in the BCA. A big turnout. But only a fraction of those people walked down the hall and bought a ticket to watch the best players in the world. To me that's a sympton of the biggest issue in the business of pool - the disconnect between league players and men's professional pool. And it seems to me that until that huge gap is bridged the pool business is going to have a hard time of it.
 
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As far as the seating goes, it just wasn't as good as last year (I'm referring to the VIP seating). If you sat at table 6 you had good views of tables 5 & 7 but that was about it. And if table 6 was a marquee match then it was difficult to get a decent seat for it.

Last year all the tables were in the middle and the stands were around two sides. IMO there was less of an issue to get a seat for a particular match since you could easily see every table from almost anywhere. Also, IIRC, at the event last year the first row of the VIP seating was in the grandstands so you were up a bit from the field of play which gave a more commanding view of all the matches.

I think maybe they also did not expect the turn-out they got as it was way better than last year. As a result they may have sold more VIP tickets than they had seats. This may have contributed for the scramble for seat as well.

I'm not saying the seating sucked, but it was configured better at the Predator the prior year.

The regular priced seating may have been a little better this year in that the bleachers had tiers.

Let me add another observation: The Delta rack seemed to work well. There were very few delays that I saw in players getting a good rack. Also, the inserts really work - the racks were way quieter than the standard Delta sans inserts.
 
9) An interesting business analysis note that's probably only interesting to me. Turnout for the 10 ball tournament was very respectable. Next door in the very next room, however, 6500 tournament players participated in the BCA. A big turnout. But only a fraction of those people walked down the hall and bought a ticket to watch the best players in the world. To me that's a sympton of the biggest issue in the business of pool - the disconnect between league players and men's professional pool. And it seems to me that until that huge gap is bridged the pool business is going to have a hard time of it.

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Most people who play pool and play pool with some proficency would rather play pool than watch pool. As some other poster has stated, BCA players watch each other as well as some pro's watch each other, just because they are part of the same group. It would be a different twist if some of the pro's watched and supported the BCA players and offer to give some advice on playing better.
 
9) An interesting business analysis note that's probably only interesting to me. Turnout for the 10 ball tournament was very respectable. Next door in the very next room, however, 6500 tournament players participated in the BCA. A big turnout. But only a fraction of those people walked down the hall and bought a ticket to watch the best players in the world. To me that's a sympton of the biggest issue in the business of pool - the disconnect between league players and men's professional pool. And it seems to me that until that huge gap is bridged the pool business is going to have a hard time of it.

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Most people who play pool and play pool with some proficency would rather play pool than watch pool. As some other poster has stated, BCA players watch each other as well as some pro's watch each other, just because they are part of the same group. It would be a different twist if some of the pro's watched and supported the BCA players and offer to give some advice on playing better.

A wonderfull thought.Players should show interest at any level.
I think it would be great if every pro donated one hour to reffing anytime
pro tourneys and leagues are running together like this.

EDIT BY PT .....the first quote is by mlalum...the 2nd by justplay
 
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