One thing I don't get is you said the measle ball is standard with all but the lowest set. But when I look at pictures of the Super Pro sets for sale they appear to come with a red logo ball, not the measle ball. Here's what I mean:
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One thing I don't get is you said the measle ball is standard with all but the lowest set. But when I look at pictures of the Super Pro sets for sale they appear to come with a red logo ball, not the measle ball. Here's what I mean:
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Fatboy started a thread shortly after the new Tournaments came out and iirc the cue ball that comes with that set is also new/different in some way as Fatboy said he had JA over and both were remarking that the CB played different. That ball has the black logo but with the tournament "circle" around it (like the rest of the balls in the set). I have set I bought new but have not used it yet.
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[*]Red Circle -- It's properly known as the Aramith Red Circle cue ball. This is the "zinger" cue ball that is approximately an ounce less in weight than the object balls, and is therefore a favorite of 9-ballers, because "it makes it easier for them to move the rock around" (especially with draw). This is definitely *NOT* a good ball to use for 14.1!
Kevin (EDIT: and Sean), the only problem I have when size, weights (and color) of balls are posted is the information doesn't mean much to me. What I mean is that the Cents and Super Pros are matched sets, meaning the balls IN EACH SET are matched by size, weight and color. But there is a range for both size and weight in the regulations. So comparing the weight of a single blue circle cue ball to a single red circle doesn't necessarily mean anything. Two blue circle balls from different sets can also have different weights. And size, weight and color, of course, can vary from manufacturing batch, and over time. ...
Ah, OK. Like I said, I'm not familiar with either the red-logo'ed or black-logo'ed ball, but I definitely can believe they play different from, e.g., the blue circle or measles balls. ...
The Aramith red logo ball was standard with Super Aramith Pro sets for quite a few years, and matched the other balls in the set...
OK, if that's the case, and the Blue Circle also matches the Cents it comes with AND Saluc says the Cents and Super Pros are the same balls except the graphics, then that means that the Blue Circle and Red Logo are the same ball. I think.My head hurts from trying to follow my own logic.
And now I still have no idea of where that leaves the red circle ball.
... Again, I'm not too sure of the red- or black-logo'ed ball. AtLarge is most likely right that these balls probably shipped with their respective sets (Super Pro and Premium, respectively) ...
I forgot to mention I also have a set of the Tournaments purchased shortly after they came out, so I know for a fact they don't come with the measle ball. That cue ball has the black logo but with the tournament "broken circle" around it (like the rest of the balls in the set).
Fatboy started a thread shortly after the new Tournaments came out and iirc the cue ball that comes with that set is also new/different in some way as Fatboy said he had JA over and both were remarking that the CB played different. I haven't used them yet so I can't say what's different about it. But I'd guess it is a new ball made to go with that top of the line set, even if it's not identical to the rest of the Tournament ball set. If I had to take a stab at it I'd say the Tournament cue ball is also made with the Duramith resin.
The red logo Arimith cue, where the logo is shaped like an eye sort of is their original cue ball I think I am older than you.Ah, OK. Like I said, I'm not familiar with either the red-logo'ed or black-logo'ed ball, but I definitely can believe they play different from, e.g., the blue circle or measles balls.
I have the IPT Tournament Edition set, which is a re-branded (OEM'ed?) version of the Aramith Tournament Edition set that the IPT had commissioned. It has an IPT-logo'ed cue ball -- the IPT logo is black and encircled as well. I just substituted the measles ball I already had, and have been happy with 'em.
It would be very cool if we could pool all of our cue ball information into one spot, and distill it down to the facts. It's unfortunate that a lot of "mistaken identity" and "mistaken properties" go around concerning cue balls.
-Sean
OK guys, I sent an email to Aramith about this subject and received the following reply:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your e.mail.
Please find attached a sheet summarizing the information on the cue balls.
Hoping this answers your query,
Best regards.
ARAMITH - BELGIUM
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Here's the attachment (Word doc):
View attachment 221429
Not sure this will end the debates. :grin: According to this the Red Logo, Blue Circle, and Measle are all the same ball. They are made from the same resin (Super Aramith Pro) and obviously are all regulation size and weight.
That the Red Logo and Blue Circle are the same makes sense since they come with the Super Pros and Cents respectively, and those two sets are said to be the same. Don't know much about how these play different from each other. But I'm surprised about the Measle ball because it does seem to play different than the Blue Circle, at least to me.
First I'd like to say thanks to many of you. The information I glean from this site is amazing. (as long as I avoid some of the high drama threads in other sections! Hehe)
Question for Sean: you mentioned on page one of this thread that the six dot measles is trademarked by Aramith. Yet I got a measles ball from Seyberts that was not Aramith and has six dots. Was going to post a link, but son of a gun, it is no longer on the web site that I can find.
Curious as to what I have. I'll try and weigh it soon for comparison sakes. In your experience, what are the primary deficiencies of a knock-off ball?
Thanks!