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You are the best! :)

So, Hohmann missed twice as many balls, played half the safeties, yet won on the strength of his high runs. Neither player played an intentional foul, either. Clearly, this is not the game my father played. ;)

Some surprising misses from Hohmann, for sure. Although Appleton missed only 4 times, he also scratched 3 times. He didn't pay much of a penalty on the first two scratches, but the last one ended a game that could have had an historic finish.
 
Some surprising misses from Hohmann, for sure. Although Appleton missed only 4 times, he also scratched 3 times. He didn't pay much of a penalty on the first two scratches, but the last one ended a game that could have had an historic finish.

They both made some puzzling strategic errors as well. The worst one was when Thorsten had to shoot at a full rack of balls and hit them like an opening break instead of off the end rail and into the back of the stack. He opened up the balls for Darren instead of taking the obvious intentional foul. Made no sense to me or the commentators, either.

All in all, it was a great match. I like the change to a 300 point final match. It is the best assurance that the two finalists will both have a chance at the table. After a solid week of play, both survivors deserve a fair chance at the trophy.
 
Congrats to Hohman. 1st time I saw him play was the Jack Calovita straight pool event at Comet billiards. He won that event and he was some force playing 14.1.
 
Some surprising misses from Hohmann, for sure. Although Appleton missed only 4 times, he also scratched 3 times. He didn't pay much of a penalty on the first two scratches, but the last one ended a game that could have had an historic finish.

How does a professional scratch 3 times playing 14.1?
 
Congrats to Hohman. 1st time I saw him play was the Jack Calovita straight pool event at Comet billiards. He won that event and he was some force playing 14.1.

After seeing the incredible display of 14.1 Thorsten demonstrated at the European Championships
in 04/05 in Veldhoven where he completely dismantled the entire field, running 125 and out
several matches in a row and getting 1000 points in 20 innings (if the matches had been to 200
it might have only taken him 12 innings) I have learned never (ever) to bet against Thorsten in 14.1.
Luckily for me not all have learned this yet:thumbup:

I find it very hard to believe anyone past or present can play that game any better than Thorsten.

gr. Dave
 
... I find it very hard to believe anyone past or present can play that game any better than Thorsten. ...

A number of years ago (maybe a few years after the 04/05 Championships you mentioned), Thorsten was just ripping through match after match in an event here in the USA. Danny DiLiberto and Pat Fleming reputedly opined that they both thought Thorsten (based on how he was playing at that time) might be the best ever at 14.1.

But sometimes, of course, he doesn't play at that level. In recent years, he seems to jump up quite a bit on some shots, something I don't remember from 10 years ago. That winning match yesterday certainly wasn't his best, even though he did run 54 and 126 in his first two innings.

Watching him play is always a pleasure, with his focus and demeanor. He just turned 36 during the event last week, so we're fortunate that we should be able to watch him for many more years.
 
A number of years ago (maybe a few years after the 04/05 Championships you mentioned), Thorsten was just ripping through match after match in an event here in the USA. Danny DiLiberto and Pat Fleming reputedly opined that they both thought Thorsten (based on how he was playing at that time) might be the best ever at 14.1.

But sometimes, of course, he doesn't play at that level. In recent years, he seems to jump up quite a bit on some shots, something I don't remember from 10 years ago. That winning match yesterday certainly wasn't his best, even though he did run 54 and 126 in his first two innings.

Watching him play is always a pleasure, with his focus and demeanor. He just turned 36 during the event last week, so we're fortunate that we should be able to watch him for many more years.

I do believe Danny says that again during one of the player review dvds with Thorsten from 2013 accu stats 14.1 invitational.
Danny noted in particular how today's players are not afraid to fire away at distant pockets with accuracy like Thorsten. That's a great DVD and full of information. He also gives glowing reviews of today's 14.1 players compared to the past in the John Schmidt 14.1 player review 169 ball run.

I hope pat can do some more player reviews for future dvds and just drop it in as an extra audio track with the match. So much to learn from those.
 
How does a professional scratch 3 times playing 14.1?

I know two of the scratches came off of the break. The first one was pretty brutal and just bad luck... I didnt get to see the last scratch because my screen started to freeze. :angry: It was off the break too though.
 
I know two of the scratches came off of the break. The first one was pretty brutal and just bad luck... I didnt get to see the last scratch because my screen started to freeze. :angry: It was off the break too though.

The last scratch was on a break shot, too. He got very shallow on a traditional type break shot. The break ball was not that far off the long rail. He hit it very hard. It stunned over to the rack and then, went straight into the pocket.

The earlier brutal scratch I remember was on a break shot and one of the balls banked off the bottom rail perfectly into the cue ball pushing it straight up into the top right pocket. I don't think I have ever seen one like that before.

I don't really remember the first scratch, but looking at the game stats, it appears to have occurred with 3 balls on the table.
 
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dmgwalsh - what kind of software were you using to post those stats? That's really cool.
 
... I don't really remember the first scratch, but looking at the game stats, it appears to have occurred with 3 balls on the table.

Yes, the first scratch was with 3 balls on the table. He shot the 4-ball down the left side rail into the left foot pocket and the cue ball fell into the left side pocket.
 
Dennis -- a question about the match duration shown on your application printout.

It shows a duration of 4 hrs 23 min. for the match. And that is the sum of all the inning times shown in the inning list.

Exactly how are those inning times calculated? Starting and stopping when? Excluding what?

I ask, because the wall-clock time for the match was 5 hours and 43 minutes from the lag to the final concession, including all time-outs and the intermission. But the time-outs and intermission did not account in full for that 80-minute difference.

Is racking time omitted?
 
Yes, the first scratch was with 3 balls on the table. He shot the 4-ball down the left side rail into the left foot pocket and the cue ball fell into the left side pocket.

Right. I remember that one now. It came as a surprise to everyone watching.
 
dmgwalsh - what kind of software were you using to post those stats? That's really cool.

Straight Pool Deluxe, it is called. After I was using it in an earlier match, the developer texted me that I could live stream it, too, which was a very nice feature.
 
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