$1500 for the new round of qualifiers!

[APA9]

The pool players will run out of money and stakehorses before this tour ever pays out a nickel in prize money to anyone other than their hand-selected few. Many will attack me for saying this, and I'd like to be proven wrong over time, but I don't expect there to be a 2007 season. The tour seems to be expecting too much revenue from the players themselves and that's money that pool players just don't have. My guess is that interest will drop in the qualifiers as people find it tougher and tougher to come up with a $1500 entry fee. Players can buy in for half, but why would anyone do that? To win half the money if they do get in? To not have their money/points count for anything if they do happen to get in the main event? Please excuse me if I'm not excited about the I.P.T.

 

[jjinfla]

You are Excused!

But before you go, check out the amount of money that is going to be paid out.

Last place earns you $5,000. That is more than most of the players who are not in the IPT now make in a whole year playing pool.

This is a $3,000,000 tournament.

If a $3,000,000 tournament doesn't excite you then there is no hope for you.

I suspect that the July qualifiers will be the ones to get in because all of the players who already qualified for the July Tournament will most likely not get in the July qualifiers. They will sit back and enjoy the July tournament. Then later they will be asking themselves why they didn't try and qualify.

Only 25 more days left until the tour starts.

Jake

 

[APA9]

You are Excused!

But before you go, check out the amount of money that is going to be paid out.

Last place earns you $5,000. That is more than most of the players who are not in the IPT now make in a whole year playing pool.

This is a $3,000,000 tournament.

If a $3,000,000 tournament doesn't excite you then there is no hope for you.

I suspect that the July qualifiers will be the ones to get in because all of the players who already qualified for the July Tournament will most likely not get in the July qualifiers. They will sit back and enjoy the July tournament. Then later they will be asking themselves why they didn't try and qualify.

Only 25 more days left until the tour starts.

Jake

People like you make it tough to do the right thing and root for this tour's success. The selfish side of me can't wait for it to fail so I could rub it in your face. In spite of that, I would still like to see this tour succeed and for players to start making "Real Money" as they say.

The players who sit back not trying to qualify for the Reno tournament will most likely be doing so because they have no money left after the last several months of over priced qualifiers.

 

[memikey]

......I suspect that the July qualifiers will be the ones to get in because all of the players who already qualified for the July Tournament will most likely not get in the July qualifiers. They will sit back and enjoy the July tournament. Then later they will be asking themselves why they didn't try and qualify....



Jake

......or they will simply enter one of those qualifiers which are taking place in August

 

[jjinfla]

A lot of the people in the qualifiers won their entry by finishing high in a previous qualifier. Plus look at all the money that was paid out when they ran 6 racks. And then the people who beat the challenger received a free entry into the qualifier.

Then there are the people who really know they do not have a chance of winning a qualifier but have the money to play so they do. Just on the outside chance that they catch on fire.

And then there are the money games before and after the qualifier.

I don't hear any of the people who get in the qualifiers complain - only the people who really know that they don't have a chance and use the money as an excuse. Look at Robb he had everything that could go wrong against him go wrong and he still was pumped about the IPT and kept trying until he was successful. Could it be that he knew more than the rest of us since he does talk to Rodney and Earl on a regular basis?

Only a little over three weeks left before the Tournament. Then we will see once and for all if it was worth it for the 200 who made it.

By the way, spending 1K or 2K to get in the IPT is chump change compared to what a person spends to get a job as a Congressman. They will spend a million dollars to get a job paying $175,000.

Jake

 

[jjinfla]

......or they will simply enter one of those qualifiers which are taking place in August

Yes, but by then all the people who qualified for the July tournament will now have to requalify for the next tournament so the competition will be greater in the August qualifier.

 

[pooltchr]

Yes, but by then all the people who qualified for the July tournament will now have to requalify for the next tournament so the competition will be greater in the August qualifier.

Not all of them will necessarily have to re-qualify. It is my understanding that any of the players who won their way into the Vegas tournament that finish high enough can earn a tour card.
Yes, the competition in the qualifiers is going to get tougher. For a tour that pays out in the millions, that is to be expected. I seriously doubt that many APA players are going to earn a spot on the tour. IPT is for PROFESSIONALS....APA is strictly for amateurs. There is a huge difference in the level of play.

Steve

 

[memikey]

Not all of them will necessarily have to re-qualify. It is my understanding that any of the players who won their way into the Vegas tournament that finish high enough can earn a tour card.
Yes, the competition in the qualifiers is going to get tougher. For a tour that pays out in the millions, that is to be expected. I seriously doubt that many APA players are going to earn a spot on the tour. IPT is for PROFESSIONALS....APA is strictly for amateurs. There is a huge difference in the level of play.

Steve

My understanding of the rules are that no qualifier can 'earn' a tour card in The North American Open,even if they win it.A top 6 finish gets them into the next event only ie The World Open.

The only circumstances that would enable any qualifier to get a 2006 tour card would be as a replacement for any existing tour member who pulls out of the tour completely.It is reasonable to assume that a qualifier who has done very well in one of the two open events then might get some favourable consideration in the IPT decision making process over who would be selected to be the permanent replacement for the withdrawn tour player.

 

[JAM]

The pool players will run out of money and stakehorses before this tour ever pays out a nickel in prize money to anyone other than their hand-selected few....Please excuse me if I'm not excited about the I.P.T.

I think somebody should tell the IPT to reduce the total purse for the events to a paultry $1 million. I'd rather see the players pay a $500 entry fee and win $30,000 for first place, wouldn't you?

The heck with having an event that pays out $3 million and $5 million to the pool players.

The $1,000 qualifier entry fee will be enjoyed by all comers if they could only reduce the total purse. Doggone it, IPT, why are you raising the purses to $3 million and $5 million?

JAM

 

[JAM]

I think somebody should tell the IPT to reduce the total purse for the events to a paultry $1 million. I'd rather see the players pay a $500 entry fee and win $30,000 for first place, wouldn't you?...

When Francisco Bustamante won his third-place prize monies of $80,000 at the KOTH in Orlando, he danced his way out of the tournament room, literally on a red carpet doing the Winner's Shuffle. Johnny Archer stated that his winnings of $50,000 was the biggest score he made in his career at a tournament. These million-dollar events should be pushed to the wayside. Let's go back to the days of paying $500 entry fees for week-long events. That way, we can all enjoy the necessity of coming in third and fourth place to break even for the expenses. Yeah, that's the ticket!

JAM

 

[TheOne]

It's sad to see so many miss the point here. The IPT hasn't just been promising that the Open Qualifiers Entry would be $1000 for the last 6 months atleast they put it in writing, in emails and on the website.

Not only that they tempted players to pay the money for the first qualifiers because they could potentially win a tour card by earning enough points in both events. Now after these players have bought into the idea and paid their money they up the second entry!!!!

In most industries this would probably be called fraud or false advertising at the very least. The fact that this wasn't announced in anyway and was sneaked onto the website is also disturbing.

If the declared entry can be increased at a moments notice what's stopping the prize money from being decreased?

Very dissapointing

 

[PoolSleuth]

The pool players will run out of money and stakehorses before this tour ever pays out a nickel in prize money to anyone other than their hand-selected few. Many will attack me for saying this, and I'd like to be proven wrong over time, but I don't expect there to be a 2007 season. The tour seems to be expecting too much revenue from the players themselves and that's money that pool players just don't have. My guess is that interest will drop in the qualifiers as people find it tougher and tougher to come up with a $1500 entry fee. Players can buy in for half, but why would anyone do that? To win half the money if they do get in? To not have their money/points count for anything if they do happen to get in the main event? Please excuse me if I'm not excited about the I.P.T.

You make many Valid Points, but the IPT like other Sports has FEES if you wish to Participate.

Heck if you want to Play the Famous Pebble Beach Golf Course, I believe it cost something like 500.00/Round, and if you do not have the Green Fee, you will not get to play Pebble Beach Golf Course.

Is it fair that the IPT Entry Fees are what they are. Maybe no but life is not fair, as just last Saturday I purchase a $1.00/Lotto Ticket and did not win Millions'

 

[TheOne]

You make many Valid Points, but the IPT like other Sports has FEES if you wish to Participate.

Heck if you want to Play the Famous Pebble Beach Golf Course, I believe it cost something like 500.00/Round, and if you do not have the Green Fee, you will not get to play Pebble Beach Golf Course.

Is it fair that the IPT Entry Fees are what they are. Maybe no but life is not fair, as just last Saturday I purchase a $1.00/Lotto Ticket and did not win Millions'

Have to agree that all your analogys suck PS, but what have they got to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[rackmsuckr]

My understanding of the rules are that no qualifier can 'earn' a tour card in The North American Open,even if they win it.A top 6 finish gets them into the next event only ie The World Open.

The only circumstances that would enable any qualifier to get a 2006 tour card would be as a replacement for any existing tour member who pulls out of the tour completely.It is reasonable to assume that a qualifier who has done very well in one of the two open events then might get some favourable consideration in the IPT decision making process over who would be selected to be the permanent replacement for the withdrawn tour player.

I think the confusion lies in which tour card they are shooting for. No, the qualifiers are not eligible for a 2006 tour card, however, if they finish well in the NAO and go on to finish high in the WO, then they may have enough winnings to place in the top 100 and earn their 2007 tour card.

 

[Timberly]

By the way, spending 1K or 2K to get in the IPT is chump change compared to what a person spends to get a job as a Congressman. They will spend a million dollars to get a job paying $175,000.

Jake

BIG TIME bad analogy there. They don't spend millions out of their own pocket & they don't have one or two stake horses spending it... they have groups and companies DONATING it. THEN, when they get there.... they give themselves a hefty raise, have their choice of FREE medical benefits, and they get FULL RETIREMENT..... they go in spending millions of someone else's money and leave retiring on millions of OUR dollars.

Point blank, the CONSTANT changing of the "rules" of qualification from an alternate list to qualifying by a tourney to continually upping the entry fee's for the qualifier is BS. It doesn't matter if you like the IPT or not.... you can't deny that being told one thing, having another happen, being told one thing again, having another happen again, and so on and so on, isn't total BS.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I want it to succeed... I'm all for the IPT, but they need to get their sh!t straight, make a decision, and stick with it.

 

[Timberly]

I think the confusion lies in which tour card they are shooting for. No, the qualifiers are not eligible for a 2006 tour card, however, if they finish well in the NAO and go on to finish high in the WO, then they may have enough winnings to place in the top 100 and earn their 2007 tour card.

That's the game plan for now... how long until they change their mind and make up a new set of qualification rules? Some folks out there are going to do all that they need to do & spend the money to do it only to be told as the time gets closer that the IPT has changed it's mind and now they have to jump through 3 hoops instead of 2 and that it will cost them more money to do so.

(not directed at you Linda, I'm just getting fed up with the constant changes.)

 

[TheOne]

BIG TIME bad analogy there. They don't spend millions out of their own pocket & they don't have one or two stake horses spending it... they have groups and companies DONATING it. THEN, when they get there.... they give themselves a hefty raise, have their choice of FREE medical benefits, and they get FULL RETIREMENT..... they go in spending millions of someone else's money and leave retiring on millions of OUR dollars.

Point blank, the CONSTANT changing of the "rules" of qualification from an alternate list to qualifying by a tourney to continually upping the entry fee's for the qualifier is BS. It doesn't matter if you like the IPT or not.... you can't deny that being told one thing, having another happen, being told one thing again, having another happen again, and so on and so on, isn't total BS.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I want it to succeed... I'm all for the IPT, but they need to get their sh!t straight, make a decision, and stick with it.

Excellent post my dear, btw you look familiar?

 

[TX Poolnut]

Where did they post that the qualifiers for the world 8-ball were only 1000? Are you sure you're not assuming Craig?

 

[ScottW]

Playing devil's advocate here...

The IPT is still pretty dang new. They're still doing a lot of things for the first time. It's expected that as things progress, they'll find they need to tweak things some, and do so. It's not unexpected.

Hell, they have yet to have their first "real" event - the KOTH was pretty much a completely staged event. The whole qualifier thing is still a system in progress, I figure.

And yeah, the whole congressman analogy was completely useless.

 

[TheOne]

Where did they post that the qualifiers for the world 8-ball were only 1000? Are you sure you're not assuming Craig?

Nah checked with several other players, some even promised/talked players into qualifying based on entry fees and now look a bit silly. It was a press release, I also saw it on site few weeks ago. Probably find a cope of release on this site if you search.

The point is the Qual process for none card holders was announced, it was a 2 tounrey system, players bought into it and now they change fee half way through it! I am stunned...