justinb386
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I wonder what allison fishers fargo rating would have been back when she was playing her strongest, if it were around back then. She was always my favorite player, growing up in the 90s.
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I wonder what allison fishers fargo rating would have been back when she was playing her strongest, if it were around back then. She was always my favorite player, growing up in the 90s.
It doesn't matter. A female can play matches against males and females or exclusively against females and a 600 is a 600.
mike page -- You are a saint. I have no idea how you can explain the exact same thing over and over again, often times to the exact same people, while not losing your patience.
A Fargo rating is your overall skill, it does not matter vs who. If you can run a rack of 9 ball, you can run a rack of 9 ball against anyone. If you can run 5 balls on average, you do that against anyone. They are hard skill numbers not relative to anything.
About 750 I would say give or take. She was a bit better than Karen Corr when they played together.
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Allison may not be in her prime, but her current lifetime fargorate is 720
I get what you're saying, and it definitely shouldn't matter, but what if females tend to play a little better/less intimidated/more comfortable while competing against other females? Then they jump into a tournament facing off against men and they face a little added pressure. I don't think it's possible to factor that into a ranking, but it's definitely worth mentioning in the debate about a male 600 vs a female 600.
Yes i agree.
I also think this goes both ways. Some men may feel they are not "supposed to" lose to a woman and may feel added pressure.
Touche! Good point.
justinb386
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I was under the impression that your rating system was based on the number of games won, and lost, and also has to do with the Fargo rating of the player that you are playing. If there were no female leagues, and female only tournaments, and the females had to compete in an open field, would this not affect their Fargo rating? I ask, because I assume that they might not be winning as many games, if they had to be mixed up into a completely open field of players, and therefore their Fargo rating would not be as high. Am I making any sense, or do I just have the wrong idea about how the Fargo rating system works? If I have the right idea about how the rating system works, then I just do not see how a females rating can be compared to a males rating (if the females are mostly playing their matches against other females). I may come off as looking like a complete fool, but I will take that chance. I have not really read much about how the Fargo rating system works, but I thought I had a general idea about how players obtained their ratings (based on games won, and lost, and based on the Fargo rating of who they are playing). Thanks, and sorry if I am way off about how the Fargo rate system works. I am not too bright, and I understand if I am way off about the way I think the rating system works.
justinb386
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I thought the rating system was based on the number of games won and lost (not the number of balls you can run out, in any certain game), and based on the rating of the player you are playing against, and the amount of games you win and lose to that player. I did not know it was based on the number of balls that a player can run. Is that how a player obtains their rating?
justinb386
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Allison was such an awesome player when she was in her prime. I used to think that she could have competed and won against many of the male players. I think she made many jump shots (in competition), back before there were jump cues. I am not sure if any of the other females were nailing jump shots like she was. I was always excited to see her play. Back then, had to wait for the matches to come on ESPN, to see them (if you could not see them live).
The Fargo rating is not based on number of balls run, but it is an absolute rating when you get to a certain number of games, the same as how well you can play the ghost. Same as the ABCD ratings, it does not matter if you are a woman or a man if you are an A player, an A player is an A player. You play good, you can run out the same amount of time. Same thing for Fargo. If you are a 600 rating, you are a 600 rating, man, woman, chicken, duck, does not matter. You play at a 600 skill.
Alison came to play american pool well after there were jump cues and about the time that the modern looking jump cues started being made. She could have beaten quite a few men, as is shown by her Fargo rating. 750 makes you pro level skill, does not matter if you are a woman or not.
It would not. Here is a way to think about it.
Let's say Suzy and Mary play at the same level.
Suzy plays in a women-only league for which the average Fargo Rating of her opponents is 400. Mary plays in mixed regional tournaments for which the average Fargo Rating of her opponents is 600. Suzy wins two thirds (67%) of her games and so that puts her at 100 points above her opponents, or 500. Mary wins one third (33%) of her games against the tougher competition. That puts her 100 points below her opponents, or also 500.
Suzy and Mary will get to 500 wherever they play.
justinb386
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Thanks for explaining that to me. That makes sense. In the above example, Mary may have a stronger mental game then Suzy though (because Mary is playing stronger players, that are not only female players), so even though they have the same rating, Mary might have a better chance of winning, if they matched up together. I do not know. I do not even understand why there are woman only leagues. Pool is not a physical sport. It is much more of a mental game, I think (like at least 70% mental I think). Thanks for taking the time to explain what you explained to me. It is way over my head though (the math and calculations, and all that). I just imagine that the men have more moves then the woman (even if they might be rated the same). They may have more defensive moves, and offensive moves (if they are regularly playing against stronger competition, they pick up more moves). If the woman are only playing other woman (for the most part), then I just do not see how they are learning as much as the men. I might be completely wrong. I do think that in a world where there were no female only leagues and tournaments, the girls could play just as strong as the guys (maybe stronger, who knows), because this is not a physical sport. I guess it makes sense that a 600 level female has an even chance of beating any male player who is also a level 600. I never took the time to read all of the info on your info page about the Fargo rating system. I should have done that before talking about the system the way I have been doing. I just do not understand it I guess.
Last year amateur events were limited to 720. This didn't apply to any of the women competing, pro or otherwise. They may have upped that to 726 this year. 700 was the cutoff for minis.
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Vivian played last year. Her rating may have gone up.
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This question has been addressed in great detail by Mike Page, and the short answer is that it makes no difference at all. The ratings are accurate predictors regardless of gender.
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This is on the "eligibility requirement" part..
I think the 726 rating fell into the 10-point rating cushion clause--i.e., was below 720 when he signed up
The minis cutoff of 700 was just a separate matter I believe
