1945 brunswick balke collender price drop

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Nick Spano

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1945 BRUNSWICK COMMANDER
Appraised at 10k-15k retail and 6000-7500 wholesale.
asking $5,000
This is a very rare table in excellent condition . The tables frame,rails and slate are all in great shape. Table has all original parts, cue rack, balls and 4 1940s tru balance cues. I have also added a custom built beautiful light and i have a set of centennials in mint cond , I will throw in as well.

Proffesionally set-up by Donnie Wessels of SD Billiards.
Rails have been calibrated Rubber is artemis intercontinental K55 profile
Pockets are cut at Diamond spec angles
Sub rail have been extended for tight pockets measuring 4 1/8 at corners and 4 3/4 sides.
Felt is Simonis 860 HR.

The table plays very solid and similar to the way a diamond would play, the way it's set up. Anybody intrested is welcome to come hit balls on it.
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any questions or inquiries
call Nick 760-927-9622
located in hesperia calif.
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Oregonmeds said:
I think whoever did your appraisal might be stuck in a pre economic meltdown frame of mind, and overly optimistic even on top of that.

Don't get me wrong that looks like it's in nice shape and it's sure a classic but it's not one of the particularly desireable tables from that era nor is the finish much to look at compared to other options in that kind of multi thousand dollars price range. You can buy a brand new diamond for less that puts that tables looks to shame.

To be a centerpiece 5k classic table it would need a complete refinish and color change.

I realize how much money you probably have into it and cost of simonis and good table work, but when people can find more desireable models like anniversaries for under 1k to fix up or redone anni's or centennials for less than that these days in this economy not to mention other deals left and right with half the country loosing their homes your table is bound to probably just keep on sitting right there. I didn't say any of this to be a jerk or whatever, but I figure it's best you know now rather than later especially if you might have to move or something. If you end up with no calls because you priced it way above the current market then have to dump it at the last second you'd loose out even more.

I hope you don't have to sell it now, cause you'll probably take a real beating. If I'm wrong someone tell me, but I don't think there's a chance in hell you can get half that much right now in this economy. If you must sell it by a certain date maybe open it up to best offer by xx a date kind of thing.
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Just curious, what qualifies you to make such strong statements about this pool tables value? The OP has the right to ask whatever he wants, whether you feel it's a fair price or popular model or not. I see you are new here, but just so you know, these type of posts are generally frowned upon here. Basically folks that aren't interested in a given item, or at a given price, just browse on without comment, or send the OP a PM with what you feel is a suitable offer if you are interested in their item.
 
edited due to bad form, didn't mean to step on your toes op good luck on the sale.
 
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Oregonmeds said:
Yep new here so didn't know the routine. Sorry, I should have pm'd I guess.
I know the market extremely well, probably better than most in the industry currently because I've been shopping used tables a couple years now online daily if not a couple times a day everhwere possible online and am up to date as to how much things have changed. I'm not in the business just looking for all the rediculous deals. I see what sells and what doesn't... While those in the industry are probably too busy actually working to make a living... Nuff said.

I didn't mean to step on his toes, actually thought I was saving him from wasting his time or worse yet ending up totally screwed but I get how it was in bad taste now that I look back on it.

Just let this thread fade into the past and post a new one OP. Or have a mod delete all posts but yours in the thread I won't say another word.

My apologies.
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There we go. No harm, no foul.
 
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Oregonmeds said:
Yep new here so didn't know the routine. Sorry, I should have pm'd I guess.
I know the market extremely well, probably better than most in the industry currently because I've been shopping used tables a couple years now online daily if not a couple times a day everhwere possible online and am up to date as to how much things have changed. I'm not in the business just looking for all the rediculous deals. I see what sells and what doesn't... I see them posted and reposted and deleted and prices changed and etc, while those in the industry are probably too busy actually working to make a living... Nuff said.

I didn't mean to step on his toes, actually thought I was saving him from wasting his time or worse yet ending up totally screwed but I get how it was in bad taste now that I look back on it. Something is worth whatever you can get for it...

Just let this thread fade into the past and post a new one OP. Or have a mod delete all posts but yours in the thread I won't say another word.

My apologies.
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Nice of you to apologize but you need to read the sticky's about the rules of the forums. By doing that you wont get berated.
Welcome to AZ.
 
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Wow,,very nice,,,my guess is retail might be in the 10-15000 range,,,BUT,,,you would either have to have a store in a town with money and have a guy walk in that loves it,,,latch on to a decorator to place it with a wealthy client,,or market it on the web. Otherwise,,you may be looking at half of that,,,and in this economy ,,it will take time if you were to sell it in my opinion.








Ken Hash
Classic Billiards
410-256-8388
www.classicbilliards.net
 
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Nick:

Thank you for the inquiry and photos. In my opinion, the value of this table in its current condition lies in the $5,000 and under price range in today's wholesale market. Let me know if you have any follow up questions. Thank you for visiting my web site!

Derrick Tiers
www.billiardrestoration.com
 
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It looks like it's in excellent condition. It's fairly rare, which can be a good thing, but has that Moderne look, which can be a not so good thing because the style is out of vogue. As pictured, fair market value, (in a fair market), rack, cushions, cloth and all, would be in the $7,500 to $10,000 range, depending on whether your buyer just really liked the table or fell in love with it. If you were lucky enough to have a buyer who has been looking for this particular table, $12,000 - $15,000 would probably be a reasonable expectation. Otherwise, low retail (more likely in today's environment) would be in the $5,000-$7,000 range; wholesale to a dealer or on consignment would be around $2500-$4500.
Hope this is helpful. Good luck.
 
Hey oregonmeds, you asked how I came up with the price for my pool table? So I went ahead and posted 3 appraisals from experts who do this for a living, unlike yourself. Did you think that I just came up with that price off the top of my head becasue I liked the way it rolled off my tongue? It sounds like you consider yourself an expert in appraising tables when infact you're actually quite clueless.. I don't know why you would even bother to aupologize when you completely blasted me in regards to my ad. I like how you mentioned that I should change the color of my table when it's the tables origional colors and in great shape. Once again just shows how little you really know. This tables value has to do with rarity, condition, and may only attract certain buyers. I have done my home work on this table, maybe you should the same and stop offering your self appraisal services which haven't been requested and hold no value
 
In other forums I'm a member of things are different, someone posts something for sale and people bump things for good prices like people do here too but they also blast things that aren't priced what others feel is fair or right. I didn't blast you, or I didn't intentionally but looking back at what I wrote it does come off that way.

All I can say is good luck sir. Time will tell who is right. I wasn't saying your table wasn't worth it and wasn't personally attacking you, what I was saying is the --economy-- has changed things drastically and those estimates don't reflect the truth on the ground. I know the truth on the ground and so could you. You don't need to be in the business or have a shop or whatever to know it, you can look up the competition for yourself if you wanted too, to see what you're up against in that price range and lower it's as easy as searching keywords like brunswick pool table, and I seriously advise you to do that and your appraisers should update their skills as well.

Feel free to rub it in my face, but only after it sells will there be anything to rub. Appraisals mean about as much as stock market speculation these days, cash in hand is what counts. Break my estimate with cash in hand and I'll do something absurd and embarrasing and admit I was an idiot and totally wrong about everything, like run naked through the streets in celebration and put it on youtube.

I'm sorry nobody is bumping you for a good deal, don't let that sway you or read anything into that, stick to your guns. Don't do any comparison shopping online and see what you're up against either, stick to the appraisals. At least you got bumped and your thread might for once get noticed. I suggest we both drop this and rise above the bs, you don't want to look like a jerk when trying to sell things, I already made myself look like a jerk and admit it so lets leave it at that ok? No matter what either of us says in response to the other it'll just look bad for us both until one or the other is proven right so even if you respond negatively I'll just ignore it. Bash away if you like but it won't help you any.

Again I apologise I was wrong for forum etiquitte and everything I said sounded wrong for what I meant to get across. I do apologize for that. I don't think anything I said was wrong though, still, no matter what 1000 appraisals say so don't waste your money on any.
It wasn't personal, don't take it that way. I admit I could be wrong for one reason and one reason alone and that is that yours is a rare table I haven't seen hardly at all, maybe that's all it will take to prove me wrong but you have a lot of competition out there thanks to the economy and you'll have to find that one guy with plenty of spare cash that wants this particular table regardless of all the other deals out there, that's -all- I was saying. (Correction that's all I meant to say.)

Peace

Now someone please bump this man for a rare table or a good deal, he needs exposure on this ad. I feel bad for you sir, it's a shame you have to sell this table at this time, in this economy. It is a nice table and in great shape, and most certainly rare.

It should have come across more clearly that I felt bad for you from the beginning having to sell this table at this time. It's sad for us all. People are getting half or less what they would have a few years ago for everything from houses to rare cars to custom motorcycles to... Pool tables. Doesn't mean they aren't worth more, doesn't mean they aren't appraised for more, I just know the truth of what they are actually selling for. I see it every single day nationwide and am just as much a victim of this market as you.
 
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bump for an amazing table

Nick Spano said:
1945 BRUNSWICK COMMANDER
Appraised at 10k-15k retail and 6000-7500 wholesale.
asking $5,000
This is a very rare table in excellent condition . The tables frame,rails and slate are all in great shape. Table has all original parts, cue rack, balls and 4 1940s tru balance cues. I have also added a custom built beautiful light and i have a set of centennials in mint cond , I will throw in as well.

Proffesionally set-up by Donnie Wessels of SD Billiards.
Rails have been calibrated Rubber is artemis intercontinental K55 profile
Pockets are cut at Diamond spec angles
Sub rail have been extended for tight pockets measuring 4 1/8 at corners and 4 3/4 sides.
Felt is Simonis 860 HR.

The table plays very solid and similar to the way a diamond would play, the way it's set up. Anybody intrested is welcome to come hit balls on it.
.


any questions or inquiries
call Nick 760-927-9622
located in hesperia calif.
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Somebody's gotta know somebody that NEEDS this table.:thumbup:
 
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