1985-1987 early Franklin era Southwest cue with LOA.

KOINNKID

KOINNKID

Troy
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Up for sale is early Jerry Franklin Southwest cue. This cue has been in a private collection over 15 years. The cue is all original with one shaft. It was once owned by William Steele better known as Billy Steele. Billy traveled the upper Midwest with Lacrosse Whitey and got into a lot of matches road playing. The cue comes out of Paul "Doc" Rutter's private collection. This cue has a lot of history and has won several thousand dollars at the hands of Billy Steele. This cue has been authenticated by Laurie at Southwest cues. It will come with a LOA from Southwest cues. SOLD SOLD SOLD This is your chance to own a nice peice of upper midwest pool history.
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Specs:

Early Jerry Franklin Southwest cue.
1 shaft.
58 inch cue.
Shaft weighs 3.4 oz. with a 12.25 mm tip.
Butt weighs 15.1 oz..
Total weight 18.50 oz..
6 points 3 high 3 low.
Balance point from measured from butt end is aprox. 18 inches.
Diameter at joint is aprox. .824 inches.
Diameter at the butt is aprox. 1.24 inches.

Description from Southwest off the LOA.

Completed between 1985 and 1987

North American Birdseye maple nosepiece inlaid with six points of South American Pau ferro. Irish linen wrap. Base is Pau ferro. The decorative rings are black linen phenolic and maple with our signature 7-3 slot design in black.

The LOA was done on December 9 2008.



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WOW Amazing cue!

Great cue Troy..With papers and history someones going to get a special cue and a true piece of history!:wave2: :ok: :wave2: :yeah:
 
you call it a South West ,Laurie calls it a Kersenbrock. It's a Kersenbrock then I assume?
2500 is a good price for a DPK isn't it?


Always been confused with the SW /DPK thing
 
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DawgAndy said:
you call it a South West ,Laurie calls it a Kersenbrock. It's a Kersenbrock then I assume?
2500 is a good price for a DPK isn't it?


Always been confused with the SW /DPK thing
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Im confused too Troy. Im interested if it is a DPK cue, and less interested if it is a Southwest cue.

Please clarify for us dummies.

Your friend in pool,

Ken
 
As Troy stated in the first post of this thread, the cue is an early Jerry Franklin Southwest with LOA from Laurie. He initially believed the cue to be a DPK based on information he had when he first put the cue up for sale. The initial buyer took the cue to the Chicago area shop where Kersenbrock works out of for authentication. It was determined not to be a Kers rather an early Southwest. The cue was returned to Troy who sent it to Laurie for authentication as an early Franklin Southwest.
 
This is a Southwest cue authenticated by Laurie Franklin of Southwest cues. This cue comes with a letter from Soutwest cues (LOA).
 
Specs:

Early Jerry Franklin Southwest cue. <<<<used to say it right here
1 shaft.
58 inch cue.
Shaft weighs 3.4 oz. with a 12.25 mm tip.
Butt weighs 15.1 oz..
Total weight 18.50 oz..
6 points 3 high 3 low.
Balance point from measured from butt end is aprox. 18 inches.
Diameter at joint is aprox. .824 inches.
Diameter at the butt is aprox. 1.24 inches.

Description from Southwest off the LOA.


post must have got edited sorry
 
DawgAndy said:
Specs:

Early Jerry Franklin Southwest cue. <<<<used to say it right here
1 shaft.
58 inch cue.
Shaft weighs 3.4 oz. with a 12.25 mm tip.
Butt weighs 15.1 oz..
Total weight 18.50 oz..
6 points 3 high 3 low.
Balance point from measured from butt end is aprox. 18 inches.
Diameter at joint is aprox. .824 inches.
Diameter at the butt is aprox. 1.24 inches.

Description from Southwest off the LOA.
post must have got edited sorry
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Dawg,

Laurie (Laurie Franklin of SW cues) never said this was a DPK.

Troy (Koinnkid) originally thought this was a DPK, but after sending the cue to Laurie Franklin (she is the REAL authority on authenticating early Franklins and DPKs), he found it to be a very early Jerry Franklin Southwest cue, and revised the ad.

Personally, I would prefer to own the very early Jerry Franklin cue than a DPK. Kersenbrock has continued making cues in one avenue or another for a long time. Jerry Franklin, unfortunately, had a relative brief span of cuemaking. There has not been a Jerry Franklin cue made in over 12 years, and there never will be. It is my personal belief (yes, I may be crazy) that over the long haul, the early Franklin cues will prove to be much more valuable than the Kers, but I have been wrong before.

Either way, you can bet that this is a super player, and it comes with a very colorful provenance. You can't go wrong with it.

Joe
 
Bamacues said:
Dawg,

Laurie (Laurie Franklin of SW cues) never said this was a DPK.

Troy (Koinnkid) originally thought this was a DPK, but after sending the cue to Laurie Franklin (she is the REAL authority on authenticating early Franklins and DPKs), he found it to be a very early Jerry Franklin Southwest cue, and revised the ad.

Personally, I would prefer to own the very early Jerry Franklin cue than a DPK. Kersenbrock has continued making cues in one avenue or another for a long time. Jerry Franklin, unfortunately, had a relative brief span of cuemaking. There has not been a Jerry Franklin cue made in over 12 years, and there never will be. It is my personal belief (yes, I may be crazy) that over the long haul, the early Franklin cues will prove to be much more valuable than the Kers, but I have been wrong before.

Either way, you can bet that this is a super player, and it comes with a very colorful provenance. You can't go wrong with it.

Joe
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Thanks Joe for the clarification and your valued opinion on this cue and Flanklin Southwest cues in general.
 
KOINNKID said:
North American Birdseye maple nosepiece inlaid with six points of South American Pau ferro. Irish linen wrap. Base is Pau ferro. The decorative rings are black linen phenolic and maple with our signature 7-3 slot design in black.

The LOA was done on December 9 2008.
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In an effort towards correctness with regards to this cue, or any SW cue for that matter, it's my understanding that SouthWest's signature ringwork consists of 6 sets of 2 dashes, not the 7-3 that has been stated.
I'm sure this is just a 'typo' because Laurie would certainly know better.

On the other hand, I could be wrong on this and if so I'm going to have to do a lot of apologizing to all the people I've built Predator shafts for that match their SW cues.

This is in no way an attempt to hamper your sale of this cue. Please forgive my post if I'm incorrect and hopefully you can add some clarification to this for the benefit of all, including myself.

Respectfully, KJ
 
KJ Cues said:
In an effort towards correctness with regards to this cue, or any SW cue for that matter, it's my understanding that SouthWest's signature ringwork consists of 6 sets of 2 dashes, not the 7-3 that has been stated.
I'm sure this is just a 'typo' because Laurie would certainly know better.

On the other hand, I could be wrong on this and if so I'm going to have to do a lot of apologizing to all the people I've built Predator shafts for that match their SW cues.

This is in no way an attempt to hamper your sale of this cue. Please forgive my post if I'm incorrect and hopefully you can add some clarification to this for the benefit of all, including myself.

Respectfully, KJ
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KJ,
Whether it's a "typo" or not, I don't believe that Jerry Franklin made the same style rings in the early days as he did in the latter days. Therefore, that would explain the difference.
Either way, I purchased this cue from Troy thinking it was indeed a Kersenbrock. I had DPK look at it and he said it was an early South West. I was a little disappointed so I sent the cue back to Troy for a full refund. He was a gentleman and handled this with the utmost class, and I greatly appreciate it.
Hind sight always being 20/20...I wish I would have kept this cue instead of sending it back. If I hadn't just bought another expensive cue I would buy this cue back in a heartbeat. It's a great piece, and should be purchased by someone who not only appreciates Jerry Franklin era South West cues...but someone who also appreciates the great ability of it's former owner Billy Steele.

Good luck with your sale Troy, and if Santa Claus is really good to me before you sell this cue, I might be buying it back!!!!!
 
if troy would have said he edited his post to say south west instead of dpk, i would not have needed the obvious explained to me, thanks anyway.
Neat old cue
 
I was told that even if DPK did make the cue, if the cue was made in a SW shop...Laurie would consider it a southwest cue as suppose to DPK. So, if you have this cue authenticated by Laurie...it will always be a SW made in their shop. However, if the cue is inspected by anyone that know DPK work like Ed Young...it would be a kersenbrock. Don't know if this true...just heard through the great vine.

Regards,
Duc.

KOINNKID said:
This is a Southwest cue authenticated by Laurie Franklin of Southwest cues. This cue comes with a letter from Soutwest cues (LOA).
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Cuemaster98 said:
I was told that even if DPK did make the cue, if the cue was made in a SW shop...Laurie would consider it a southwest cue as suppose to DPK. So, if you have this cue authenticated by Laurie...it will always be a SW made in their shop. However, if the cue is inspected by anyone that know DPK work like Ed Young...it would be a kersenbrock. Don't know if this true...just heard through the great vine.

Regards,
Duc.
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I heard this happened sometimes:embarrassed2:
 
Cuemaster98 said:
I was told that even if DPK did make the cue, if the cue was made in a SW shop...Laurie would consider it a southwest cue as suppose to DPK. So, if you have this cue authenticated by Laurie...it will always be a SW made in their shop. However, if the cue is inspected by anyone that know DPK work like Ed Young...it would be a kersenbrock. Don't know if this true...just heard through the great vine.

Regards,
Duc.
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Like I said in my earlier post...this cue was taken to Ed Young's shop and DPK did look at it and he was the one who said the cue was a South West.
 
KJ Cues said:
In an effort towards correctness with regards to this cue, or any SW cue for that matter, it's my understanding that SouthWest's signature ringwork consists of 6 sets of 2 dashes, not the 7-3 that has been stated.
I'm sure this is just a 'typo' because Laurie would certainly know better.

On the other hand, I could be wrong on this and if so I'm going to have to do a lot of apologizing to all the people I've built Predator shafts for that match their SW cues.

This is in no way an attempt to hamper your sale of this cue. Please forgive my post if I'm incorrect and hopefully you can add some clarification to this for the benefit of all, including myself.

Respectfully, KJ
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The letter from Laurie at Southwest say 7-3 slot design.
 
DawgAndy said:
if troy would have said he edited his post to say south west instead of dpk, i would not have needed the obvious explained to me, thanks anyway.
Neat old cue
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I did edit my post almost minutes after I post the thread to take that statement out because I cut and pasted the description from the other thread. My post still never said that Laurie called it a Kersenbrock.
 
RackRunner said:
KJ,
Whether it's a "typo" or not, I don't believe that Jerry Franklin made the same style rings in the early days as he did in the latter days. Therefore, that would explain the difference.
Either way, I purchased this cue from Troy thinking it was indeed a Kersenbrock. I had DPK look at it and he said it was an early South West. I was a little disappointed so I sent the cue back to Troy for a full refund. He was a gentleman and handled this with the utmost class, and I greatly appreciate it.
Hind sight always being 20/20...I wish I would have kept this cue instead of sending it back. If I hadn't just bought another expensive cue I would buy this cue back in a heartbeat. It's a great piece, and should be purchased by someone who not only appreciates Jerry Franklin era South West cues...but someone who also appreciates the great ability of it's former owner Billy Steele.

Good luck with your sale Troy, and if Santa Claus is really good to me before you sell this cue, I might be buying it back!!!!!
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I just want to be as honest as I can with this cue that is why I sent it to Southwest to get the documentation paperwork before i put it back on the market.
 
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