2 Gunmen open fire on Crown Billiards in Clearfield, Utah
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Sadly things are getting worse!
These incidents are popping up all over the place, our youth are out of control ! I blame parents for not being parents. I retired a few years ago and decide I wanted to give back so I volunteered to work at a local mission because of my background and education I counseled abused woman this was a mind blowing experience for me and resulted in my organizing a community group in my neighborhood to primarily work with the children. What I learned was that it is easy to read the papers or view a news story and blame the kids, blame hip hop and any assorted media villains for the lack of civility and respect for life these kids seem show! But you know what ? I learned that they were just direction less ! they really wanted and needed some one to care about them and to give them direction for the most part! We as adults (at least my generation ) came up in a different world for the most part our families were different we were given love and also were held accountable for our actions and disciplined when we were wrong! Todays parents are afraid to correct their children ! they have been led to believe it is wrong, they have bought into the "spare the rod B.S. and other concepts of child rearing. They work two jobs to make ends meet and their children are left to be raised by TV and nintendo! So the result is what you experienced ! The children want success but do not know have to obtain it! they want respect but were not taught you have to earn it and lastly they want to be loved but were not taught that you must love yourself and others in order to receive it!
Snapshot9 said:
These incidents are popping up all over the place, our youth are out of control ! I blame parents for not being parents. I retired a few years ago and decide I wanted to give back so I volunteered to work at a local mission because of my background and education I counseled abused woman this was a mind blowing experience for me and resulted in my organizing a community group in my neighborhood to primarily work with the children. What I learned was that it is easy to read the papers or view a news story and blame the kids, blame hip hop and any assorted media villains for the lack of civility and respect for life these kids seem show! But you know what ? I learned that they were just direction less ! they really wanted and needed some one to care about them and to give them direction for the most part! We as adults (at least my generation ) came up in a different world for the most part our families were different we were given love and also were held accountable for our actions and disciplined when we were wrong! Todays parents are afraid to correct their children ! they have been led to believe it is wrong, they have bought into the "spare the rod B.S. and other concepts of child rearing. They work two jobs to make ends meet and their children are left to be raised by TV and nintendo! So the result is what you experienced ! The children want success but do not know have to obtain it! they want respect but were not taught you have to earn it and lastly they want to be loved but were not taught that you must love yourself and others in order to receive it!
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Kids these days. Damn that MTV. MrLucky, you said something that kind of disturbs me. You implied that we should not blame the kids. The main problem with kids these days is that they are no longer being held accountable. People are quick to blame the parents, the media, or some mysterious mental illness. But the fact is that kids know the difference between right and wrong. I'm not letting the parents off the hook. They're the main reason kids have no respect for authority or punishment. But let's be honest with ourselves. Not every child is an innocent angel. I'll be the first to admit that I had absolutely no respect for the rules growing up. Although I feel my parents were the best I could have asked for, I always felt I was above the law until I came face to face with it. Some kids just have to learn through experience. Anyway, the article didn't make any reference to the gunmen's ages but we all know that pool halls are not the safist environments in the world. With the alcohol, gambling, and minimal security, there will always be some risk of an incident. We as a community need work to change this. Otherwise we'll constantly be putting ourselves and our children at risk simply by enjoying a sport.
first off reread slowly my post! ....
I did not say or imply the culprits are not to blame ! somehow you took my post as saying something it did not! my first sentence was ..."These incidents are popping up all over the place, our youth are out of control !"... I blame parents for not being parents." how does this in any way imply that the kids are not to be taken to task for thier wrongs ? I stated it starts with the parents lack of being a good parent and teaching, disclipling and loving their children!Drew said:
MrLucky said:What I learned was that it is easy to read the papers or view a news story and blame the kids, blame hip hop and any assorted media villains for the lack of civility and respect for life these kids seem show! But you know what ? I learned that they were just direction less ! they really wanted and needed some one to care about them and to give them direction for the most part! We as adults (at least my generation ) came up in a different world for the most part our families were different we were given love and also were held accountable for our actions and disciplined when we were wrong! Todays parents are afraid to correct their children ! they have been led to believe it is wrong, they have bought into the "spare the rod B.S. and other concepts of child rearing. They work two jobs to make ends meet and their children are left to be raised by TV and nintendo! So the result is what you experienced ! The children want success but do not know have to obtain it! they want respect but were not taught you have to earn it and lastly they want to be loved but were not taught that you must love yourself and others in order to receive it!
My apologies. I misinterpreted what you said. It just sounded like you were blaming parents for working two jobs and doing their best. I think you and I are on the same page. But sometimes we have to admit the difference between good children and bad children. And as ugly or pessimistic as it might sound, we have to understand that some kids out there are just different. Sometimes there is really no one else to blame but the kids.
I have played at Crown billiards in Utah. The room is an absolute dump (Just some ratty bar boxes). I would also like to add that I wouldn't be surprised that the room owner is partly responsible. She allows bad behavior at her poolroom. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of gangs/thugs interested in pool in Utah. People who would rather pick a fight than actually play.vagabond said:How about POOL HALL OWNERS sharing part of the blame?
-Andy
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Our youth today are NOTHING compared to the youth of the late 80's all the way to the late 90's. The youth are MUCH less violent these days. In the mid-late 90's gangs everywhere in the USA, especially California reached their peak in violence and membership. Now adays rap music doesn't really preach violence. "gangsta rap" has fallen off. It's more about the music itself. Don't get me wrong, South Central LA or Boyle Heights in East LA are still real bad, they aren't nearly as dangerous as they were 9 or 10 years ago. And the same goes all around the USA. I got friends all over this country, they acknowledge this. Back in the 90's, there were shootings at poolhalls around the San Fernando Valley and LA on a regular basis. There was a certain poolhall on the opposite end of the valley that you just plain and simply didn't go to. There was five murders INSIDE the poolhall in 3 years, and two more outside in that same time frame. Gang warfare at it's peak. Now adays that very same poolhall has a bunch of kids playing arcade games and playing one pocket on the tight front table for $50 or $100 a game. There hasn't been a violent incident in years. The gangs that ruled that place disappeared, and so did that subculture.
The saying that 'Our youth today are bad' is going to be said forever. Even if it's gotten alot less violent than it was less than a decade ago. I guarantee you the USA has ALOT less violent people than it did back then. The entire world is alot more violent than ever, but our youth? Don't blame them.
The saying that 'Our youth today are bad' is going to be said forever. Even if it's gotten alot less violent than it was less than a decade ago. I guarantee you the USA has ALOT less violent people than it did back then. The entire world is alot more violent than ever, but our youth? Don't blame them.
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I have played there many times. It's not owned by a woman. It has two sides, one side has6 nine footers and three bar boxes with no beer. The other side serves beer and has four bar boxes and five dart boards. Are you sure your talking about the same place?
ginsu said:
Ginsu, I have played at Crown billiards. You are entitled to your opinion but I have played in pool halls across the U.S. and Crown Billiards is one of the worst I have ever been to. As for the woman who I thought owned the room I was referring to the ill-mannered woman who runs the tournaments. She gave me the impression that she owned it. My mistake...
-Andy
1-pocket-player said:I have played at Crown billiards in Utah. The room is an absolute dump (Just some ratty bar boxes). I would also like to add that I wouldn't be surprised that the room owner is partly responsible. She allows bad behavior at her poolroom. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of gangs/thugs interested in pool in Utah. People who would rather pick a fight than actually play.
-Andy
Thank u very much for sharing your knowledge of that place which lends support to my view point.when I opened the AZ form today I thought I will have a PM from others threatening my life.I guessed it wrong ,however I saw some posts expressing astonishment at my post in response to the poster from Atlanta.
I have been to more places than many on AZB forum posters and every where I went I found only one thing-pool hall owners not making any attempts to nip the rude behaviors in the bud.These rude behaviors subsequently grow to be abnoxious then to aggressive then to ,you guessed it right.Lack of initiative on the part of the room owners inadvertantly reinforces the unruly behaviors of some of these visitors to the pool halls.
I wil not compare the generations and say one generation is better than the other.Let me give a surprise-World War II generation always commented negatively on the vietnam war generation.Here comes the surprise-world war I generation had negative comments about the World war II generaration.Always older generation talks bad about the younger generation.We have bad dudes in every generation.
The only place in the entire USA I NEVER found rudeness from others was in the Corner Pocket on 10/11th street and 4th ave in Manhattan,NY.I only visited this place only once.This place does not exist anymore.
I would also like to add that it has been about a year since I have been to Crown billiards so it could have been fixed up in that time. When I said the thing about gang stuff I was referring to Utah in general. Specifically Salt Lake City. The Ritz in SLC has had a few problems with gang violence. A gang member got shot in the testicles by a rival gang at The Ritz about six months ago. Also there was a murder at a Vietnamese pool hall in West Valley. It really breaks my heart to see all this violence in poolhalls.ginsu said:
-Andy