$20,000 Challenge to Lou Figueroa.

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Just my thought

Have read the entire thread. Have no idea who anyone is involved in the thread. Been away from the game and forum for the most part for 25 years. Just recently began to attempt to play again.
I have no clue who any of these people are
The thread is simple
Offer made.......very fair......lot of heart to play based on most feeling that he is strong underdog.......offer refused, yet way too much yapping....
Guy has no heart, no gamble, no game, or no money......probably all 4
I cant see to play well anymore, but I still understand gamble......
End of story......imo
 
JB Cases said:
....Because you see, I have heart Lou and you have none. If you develop some between now and Friday then we can dance again for $20,000 this time and I will give you a written guarantee to play again giving you a ball if I win.
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Are you serious. I promised myself I would stay off this but a man can only take so much dribble. It's like you are standing on the moon and you are telling him if he every gets here you will pummel him. Stop it. If you are gambling everything is negotiable. I would play you 12-3 if I could glue a dildo to your forehead. It would be worth the money for the comic relief.

The man came to your venue and played. Your behavior up the match was despicable, immature and bordering on psychotic Lou took the high road and showed incredible restraint and went quiet. Showed up with the cash and shot your nuts in. All your statements about covering all bets. Lies. All the bets you took before the match. More Lies. How you were shooting like a god and would destroy him for all to see. Biggest Lie.

I'm sure that most of your biggest supporters would acknowledge the aforementioned. Now you want another chance at your money but feel it has to be on your terms. Well he has it and doesn't have to give you a rematch but if you really want another bite at the apple you better find common ground...oh right you really don't want another bite.

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I don't like raining on anyone's parade, but John...Can you just STFU about this?

Your attempts to "one-up" Lou are pathetic and your posts make you sound like a lunatic who can't control his mouth or his actions. I'm not a big Lou fan either, but you two take the cake for trying to act like "pool hustlers".

Pool hustlers don't come online and run their mouths all day. They find someone to play with their money.
 
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JB Cases said:
We will see. I guess Lou is scared and his backers aren't so keen on the idea either.



But you claimed that I was coached. Your backer claimed that's why I won any games at all. So I put in a rule that should take any hint of coaching off the table.




Sounds right to me.



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Fair enough. You're scared and that's a perfectly valid reason not to play. You're a decent player, a steady player and you do make some good shots from time to time. I feel like I have my hands full for sure. But if you don't feel that way it's understandable.

I know what fear feels like and I don't get into matches where I am afraid of my opponent.



I will ask again. Next time I have extra money to bet I will offer it to him again if he doesn't find the backing or the heart to play this time. I will offer it many times because that's how I am. As he gets older and more fearful the chances of winning again will decrease.

As for living with the loss, please. I feel I could have played better and I feel that I should have won. I know why I didn't and that's fine. I said last year I would challenge Lou to play again when I wa ready and here it is.



Nice one Lou. You will play scared on someone else's money. That's a true pool player for you.




Didn't drive me crazy at all. Jimbo is a huge nit. I am winner in life over that nit who is forever confined to his own little ego-fest in the tiniest corner of the internet.

A place where you dare not go by the way because you get shredded every time you try.

But since you bring it up that is ANOTHER example of bad planning. The worst blizzard in a century hit Denver and I had to drive through it to get to Kansas City to catch a flight after spending four hours on the tarmac at the airport. So by the time I arrived I was already awake for nearly 24 hours and played Jimbo anyway. Just ran out of gas mid-match and dogged it. Just like with you I stuck out my hand and said I hope this resolves things and just like you he said ok and then continued to be obnoxious afterward.

Nothing but a speed bump in life and as I said, my life is great. I know who I am and where I stand, and in regards to both of you I stand on the side of right regardless of what happens on the pool table.
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If you didn't care you wouldn't continue to go on on about it ,, Has it ever occurred to you Lou didn't play his best and that he shot down to your level instead of keeping his foot on the gas ,,
Lou came across the country with money in hand to take you up on your offer to go as high as 30 ,, good thing for you that the smartest thing you did in the whole ordeal was back out of that offer
Now it's Lou's turn to dictate the show , nice try though

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ChicagoRJ said:
Yes, an open pool room and an open pool forum, because ya know... they are both open to the public....geez??

JB never said, oh, please help me get a game, I need y'all input immediately. So, yeah, you're still a NIT. They are tying to get a game, and you are free to read the posts, or post words NOT related to the actual bet. Another example of that 46 years of experience paying off. Might be why so MANY folks have you on ignore. LMAO
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There have been many words posted related to the negotiations, I guess to you they're all NITS too.

I guess You would know, because YOU are the Leader of the Pack.

Just as other SUGGESTIONS were made, that's ALL that mine was. I doubt that LOU is going to go for JB's NON NEGOTIABLE & has in fact said as much.

I seriously doubt that my NEUTRAL SUGGESTION will effect the outcome in any real manner & I also think that John or Lou hardly noticed it, if at all. But... it may well be the settled amount.

This is an open forum of tens of thousands of individuals. Most of us know why John opened the thread even if you don't...

GENIUS!

PS I think any long time active member knows why you're making a such a trying to make such a big deal about. You're showing yourself for what you truly are.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
There have been many words posted related to the bet, I guess to you they're all NITS too.

I guess You would know, because YOU are the Leader of the Pack when it comes to Real True nit WHITS.

Just as other SUGGESTIONS were made, that's ALL that mine was. I doubt that LOU is going to go for JB's NON NEGOTIABLE & has in fact said as much.

This is an open forum of tens of thousands of individuals. Most of us know why John opened the thread even if you don't...

GENIUS!
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Yeah, but they don't have 46 years experience like you do. So, I don't much care what they do. They are not great pool experts like the great English. And it does not matter what Lou says, that's part of the negotiation tactic. Just like buying a car, you tell the sales guy, hey, I'm only kicking tires today, I don't want this POS.

Just funny seeing such a nit talking up in a thread for $20K who would not bet water is wet. So, If you want to join in, and we can be the opening match for Lou and John for $5K, and you can show me your 46 years of skills.

Just say the word and show the world how you actually know what you're talking about. Or you can pass and show the world that you really are nothing more than an internet pool troll with not much of anything to offer on the subject. The choice is completely yours, of course.

Please, respond quickly, before you get banned, yet again.
 
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lfigueroa said:
Lifetime score:

LOU 1

JOHN 0

Lou Figueroa
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I realize you are in the bottom of the ninth and you skids are greased, but what if. Suppose he had the bollas to come to St. Loui what could happen then. Dont stay under the portch because I want to hear a little barking too.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yeah, but they don't have 46 years experience like you do. So, I don't much care what they do. They are not great pool experts like the great English. And it does not matter what Lou says, that's part of the negotiation tactic. Just like buying a car, you tell the sales guy, hey, I'm only kicking tires today, I don't want this POS.

Just funny seeing such a nit talking up in a thread for $20K who would not bet water is wet. So, If you want to join in, and we can be the opening match for Lou and John for $5K, and you can show me your 46 years of skills.

Just say the word and show the world how you actually know what you're talking about. Or you can pass and show the world that you really are nothing more than an internet pool troll with not much of anything to offer on the subject. The choice is completely yours, of course.

Please, respond quickly, before you get banned, yet again.
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Keep trying to use the child psychology that impressed you when you fell for it when you were 30+ or was it 40+ years old, Genius.

Thanks for proving my point that it had nothing at all to do with what I said in my suggestion.

They say revenge is best served cold. Perhaps you had better chill out & cool down... & perhaps freeze to death, because it will be a cold day in Hell before I fall for your crap.
 
Nick B said:
Are you serious. I promised myself I would stay off this but a man can only take so much dribble. It's like you are standing on the moon and you are telling him if he every gets here you will pummel him. Stop it. If you are gambling everything is negotiable. I would play you 12-3 if I could glue a dildo to your forehead. It would be worth the money for the comic relief.

The man came to your venue and played. Your behavior up the match was despicable, immature and bordering on psychotic Lou took the high road and showed incredible restraint and went quiet. Showed up with the cash and shot your nuts in. All your statements about covering all bets. Lies. All the bets you took before the match. More Lies. How you were shooting like a god and would destroy him for all to see. Biggest Lie.

I'm sure that most of your biggest supporters would acknowledge the aforementioned. Now you want another chance at your money but feel it has to be on your terms. Well he has it and doesn't have to give you a rematch but if you really want another bite at the apple you better find common ground...oh right you really don't want another bite.

Nick
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Ok, I will take 12:3 and play you a ten ahead for $50,000 with a dildo glued to my head.

How soon can you post? All of Oklahoma City is backing me.
 
JB Cases said:
Ok, I will take 12:3 and play you a ten ahead for $50,000 with a dildo glued to my head.

How soon can you post? All of Oklahoma City is backing me.
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You should wear one like a tail as well so you don't throw off your balance

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one stroke said:
If you didn't care you wouldn't continue to go on on about it ,, Has it ever occurred to you Lou didn't play his best and that he shot down to your level instead of keeping his foot on the gas ,,
Lou came across the country with money in hand to take you up on your offer to go as high as 30 ,, good thing for you that the smartest thing you did in the whole ordeal was back out of that offer
Now it's Lou's turn to dictate the show , nice try though

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Sure it's occurred to me. But I know that I didn't play my best. So sure, let's have a match where he plays his best and I play my best.

Actually he barked to play for 25 the day I started my show. All through the show WHILE I AM NOT ON AZB I got to hear people coming to the booth asking me about whether I was going to call Lou's raise or not. I thought about it. But Karen and I decided that 10 was enough and I decided that since they didn't even bother to acknowledge the FOUR TIMES I tried to double the bet, including DURING the DCC in January, that I wasn't going to let them bet more days before the show.

Lou doesn't get to dictate anything. I will dictate the terms and he will either accept them or not. Right now it's not and that's fine. I knew before making the offer that he would first say no on principle just because accepting my terms is likely seen as a loss in his eyes. But as I said they are not negotiable. So I am perfectly content to spend the money on something more productive.
 
caff3in3 said:
You should wear one like a tail as well so you don't throw off your balance

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If he wants to bet a $100,000 and give me 12:3 I will wear suit made out of dildos.

In fact I will even have a cue made with a dildo as the grip so he can understand the screwing he will be getting. :-)
 
HawaiianEye said:
I don't like raining on anyone's parade, but John...Can you just STFU about this?

Your attempts to "one-up" Lou are pathetic and your posts make you sound like a lunatic who can't control his mouth or his actions. I'm not a big Lou fan either, but you two take the cake for trying to act like "pool hustlers".

Pool hustlers don't come online and run their mouths all day. They find someone to play with their money.
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I am not a hustler. If I was I would have busted Lou and Crew the first time around. I am just a guy who wants to play Lou some one pocket.

As for one upping him......no need. I have the heart and have always had it. Lou has no heart and no gamble and has never had any.

Thanks for your input, it's appreciated. I think my wife feels the same way you do when it comes to this guy and me offering to play him.
 
JB Cases said:
I had said for years that I would play for $100 a game. Someone speaking for Lou barked at me to play for $20,000 on One Pocket.org. I responded saying I would play a ten ahead match for $10,000 and was called a coward, a nit, and a host of other things.

Years later Lou tried to use this as a way to needle me, calling me a two-bit coward and I responded that we could play any of the times I was in America at shows. Lou attended many of the same shows that I did so this was perfect for us to get together for a match (I thought but turned out not to be such a good idea).

I wanted a 10 ahead set and he wanted a race. I wanted to play on the Diamond in the arena and he insisted on a Gold Crown. When PPV was on the table in private he was ok with streaming as long as he got money for it. I did insist on a free stream for several reasons. One of which is that I feel it's ludicrous for amateurs to get paid to play pool and even more ridiculous to ask people to pay to watch them. And I felt that for a grudge match of that magnitude it would be unfair to restrict the viewers to those willing to pay. Lastly of course I wanted my company logo to be shown to as many people as possible since I was looking at the whole thing as a marketing opportunity alongside the personal reason to play.

I didn't lower the amount I would bet. We agreed to 10k and that's what I bet. I offered to raise the best four times to 20k on the condition that we post the full amount and all four offers were met with silence. So when they tried to raise the bet when my show started I felt it was a nitty move and I had already allocated a lot of money in my business so I declined the raise offer.

Anyway I don't really want to go over it all again because that chapter is closed. Now I have made an incredibly fair offer to someone that nearly everyone thinks is a far superior player. Obviously I think I have a chance or I wouldn't make the offer but the bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with my offer and if anyone thinks Lou has the best of it they should be encouraging him to accept.

I don't really care one way or the other but in my opinion the only two things preventing Lou from accepting assuming he can get backed is fear or ego. I doubt he is scared so ego will allow what most think is an easy payday to go away.

I am definitely not traveling more than five minutes away from my own bed to play for this much money. I learned last time the importance of being physically ready. Non-negotiable means exactly that.
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Post 210 line 10 "my show".
 
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