The 2-ball has been racked at the back of the rack (in line with the 1-ball and 9-ball, not in the second-to-back row) in recent years at the US Open 9-Ball Championship. I imagine that's where it will be again this year.
2015 US Open 9 Ball Rules
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The 2-ball has been racked at the back of the rack (in line with the 1-ball and 9-ball, not in the second-to-back row) in recent years at the US Open 9-Ball Championship. I imagine that's where it will be again this year.
Oh Gawd no. Opponent rack and all of the controversy and re-racking that it can cause is so much worse than some BS accusations of cheating. If there's no rule against gaps, and no rule against putting the other balls wherever you want, then no "cheating" is even possible. It will just be that some people have studied the rack and others haven't.
Joe T
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I know what you're thinking and understand but it won't be like that using the accu rack. Rack you're own in this case would cause more problems than opponent racking for reasons I stated earlier.
OMG Wedge, what part of DIRECTLY BEHIND THE NINE BALL don't you understand?
Sorry Jay
Last name is Wojciechowski so it takes longer for some things to sink in for an old Pollock! I thought directly behind the 9 ball meant right behind it not one row back...my bad!!!
Wedge
Last name is Wojciechowski so it takes longer for some things to sink in for an old Pollock! I thought directly behind the 9 ball meant right behind it not one row back...my bad!!!
Wedge
Joe T
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Rack examining won't and doesn't have to stop and there will be 10x less arguing. If I rack them with the Accu Rack and my opponent doesn't like it I would happily allow them to fix whatever it is they're complaining about, nothing like the Turning Stone experience.
Guess what, I'm part Polish too, on my mom's side. My dad's family was Russian. Sorry if I sounded frustrated today because I am, some of it because of threads like this and the Earl thread, and also because of other concerns I have in my life away from pool.
No Worries
My mom is German. I will be at the US Open all week perhaps we can have a dinner of Borscht, Pierogi's and Sauerbraten one evening!
Wedge
My mom is German. I will be at the US Open all week perhaps we can have a dinner of Borscht, Pierogi's and Sauerbraten one evening!
Wedge
No one knows more about this stuff than you. But I don't understand what you're saying here. Let's say that you're right and you can break more successfully with a gap. Do other players know or believe that? If they look at the rack and their opponent gave them a gap or two, they won't complain about it? I simply don't believe it. They'll have their own ideas about what they want, right or wrong. And if they rack their own they'll get what they want, but if their opponent racks they won't like it.
It's not even about what rack is truly best, it's about whether the player perceives their fate to be in their own hands or their opponent's. Guess which they'll prefer.
But I'd be happy to be proven wrong about this. Let opponents rack, watch the sh!t show that will inevitably ensue, and let it be the death of opponent racks. :wink:
Joe T
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You are correct about the perception, good point.
I still think if its rack your own they'll be more worries and more arguing. With this rack it is Soooo much easier to fix something that if a player does complain we can accommodate them and have them on their way rather quickly. With rack your own players will be trying to get an edge and the opponent in the chair will have to be getting up and heavily inspect and complain.
I know its a tough situation and only reason I'm this conversation (for the 900th time) is to try and help make things at our open as fair and as smooth possible and imo with this format, opponent racking does that better than rack your own.
I prefer matzoh ball soup, whitefish and chopped liver thank you!
That sounds Kosher
