2024 World Pool Championship

[The_JV]

it wasn't pretty. i like ignacio, but that was a move for sure. now souto isn't known for keeping still in his chair either so.. there were a couple of things going on

So, playing the devil's advocate for a moment. If Ignacio honestly thought Souto may have fouled. Should he not have raised the situation to the ref...? I get everyone assumes a sharking attempt, but we truly don't know what Ignacio saw from the opposite side of the table. Maybe it was something that truly needed to be said...?

If Souto did indeed potentially foul and Ignacio didn't raise question. Would we not call him a fool for not saying something..?

 

[The_JV]

You think filler and gorst can’t handle pressure? That’s your conclusion? Haha

Ok now is the time to go back to my post years ago when I said smaller pockets will add randomness and arbitrary outcomes to matches. These equipments will favor the weaker player and people didn’t believe me. In fact people laughed at me.

I’m sure people will catch on to my thinking purely from results. I hope it will be time where you see what I discovered years ago maybe some will never get it.

In pool the problem is randomness and by making pockets smaller you literally added more wider margin of luck and randomness. I’ll wait until people get it; maybe they won’t

But at least you’re seeing the results but then again some people will keep finding other excuses which as “can’t handle pressure” okay.

What you're seeing is top players falling victim to tighter tolerances. Has zero to do with luck. I do agree though, that the conditions do open the door to weaker players gaining advantages they normally would never see. Of course they still need to capitalize on them though.

Regardless, the somewhat more random possibilities is good content for viewers. No one cares to watch can be predicted as, and will likely be a white wash.

 

[8cree]

I'm still trying to figure out what angle he was hoping for on the 5, and if he didn't partially hook himself what his plan was to get on the 7. The extremely lesser arm chair player in me just thought he roll near the bottom rail and roll through the 5 for the 7 in the opposite corner

He came up an inch or 2 short for shape, he was gonna follow for short side shape off one rail for the 7.... but, like I said already, he was still thinking about the foul call.

 

[The_JV]

He came up an inch or 2 short for shape, he was gonna follow for short side shape off one rail for the 7.... but, like I said already, he was still thinking about the foul call.

Another inch or two would have been better but still a not so great spot. If the next shot was to be short side on the 7, then maybe another foot of forward roll while shooting the 4.

Once you're on tour and flirting with an 800 rating. I don't buy into tavern tactics being the cause of bad form. Now flat out nerves from the magnitude of the moment...?...., sure.

 

[jason]

Wow...congrats Mickey! Well played.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

While Fedor admitted recently that he’s struggling with the equipment, there’s an Ameer Ali in FargoRate with a preliminary rating of 857, with 89 games in the system. Doesn’t seem like that rating’s a fluke if he keeps this up!

Lmaoooo if you think that’s his real Fargo after 89games

 

[8cree]

Another inch or two would have been better but still a not so great spot. If the next shot was to be short side on the 7, then maybe another foot or so of forward roll while shooting the 4.
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Once you're on tour and flirting with an 800 rating. I don't buy into tavern tactics being the cause of bad form. Now flat out nerves from the magnitude of the moment...?...., sure.

It was definitely tactics. Unquestionably. You should watch the entire match. He was heated, so nerves aren't it either. From what I saw in real time, it was pure aggravation.

Ask me how I know... lol

 

[weakfingers]

Lmaoooo if you think that’s his real Fargo after 89games

Your words, not mine. All I said was it was a preliminary rating and it doesn’t seem too far fetched based on his performance in this tournament.

Either way, Fedor Gorst and Joshua Filler are champions for a reason, and it looks like they’ve grinded their way back in their matches.

 

[skogstokig]

So, playing the devil's advocate for a moment. If Ignacio honestly thought Souto may have fouled. Should he not have raised the situation to the ref...? I get everyone assumes a sharking attempt, but we truly don't know what Ignacio saw from the opposite side of the table. Maybe it was something that truly needed to be said...?

If Souto did indeed potentially foul and Ignacio didn't raise question. Would we not call him a fool for not saying something..?

it was infected. souto tried to call a foul a couple of frames earlier, claiming ignacio powdered the corner pocket. when ignacio did his move, i don't think he thought it was a foul, it was retaliation. he even said something along the lines of "i thought ref called foul". it was a messy match, i hate to see that stuff. both are good enough players to have their cues do the talking, hopefully they will mature

 

[skogstokig]

kinda fun on the TV table: they showed soufi's match on half the screen and ralf's on the other. soufi literally ran a rack before ralf shot one ball

ralf did shoot eventually though, left himself bad but banked the 9 for the win

 

[Philthepockets]

Well done Ralph!, keeping the hope alive for us oldies.

 

[skogstokig]

in the last L64 match, lombardo is leading mario 9-6

 

[jbart65]

Gorst and Filler. Pure grit.

Helluva shot by Souquet. Capito had his chances ...

Hope I don't jinx his chances, but if Lombardo holds on, all six remaining US players will have advanced to the final 32.

 

[DaWizard]

Thank you and yes turned out I don’t understand it.

I’m not stubborn I admit my mistake. I was wrong sorry

Thanks to all that corrected me

If more people were like this, the world would be a wonderfull place.

Was it not Earl who said "I only got to this level because with every mistake I wanted to know what went wrong"?

 

[DaWizard]

What a tournament this is shaping up to be. I'm currently rooting hard for Bijsterbosch. Bye-ster-bosh (it means "near star forest")

 

[jbart65]

This argument that tighter pockets help lesser players puzzles me. I have heard a handful of top players, including SVB and Gorst, contend that tighter pockets favor better players. And why not. One would think they shoot straighter, are more accurate, get better position ...

I don't see how tougher conditions favor weaker players. And what I can see of this tournament, most of the best players are advancing. Sure, some got knocked out, but not seeing many big surprises.

 

[sjm]

One can take many views of an unforgettable Round of 64 in which FSR lost and in which Filler and Gorst had to come from behind to win. After all, based on Fargo, they are the world's three best players. From everything I see, the tables are excellent, and the playing conditions befit a world championship.

My slant on all this is that the world is catching up. Unknown yet capable cueists are popping up in every corner of the globe right now and I, for one, believe it is very good for our sport.

At the root of it is the recognition of pool as an Olympic sport over 20 years ago. Even though the Olympic dream was never realized, a lot of money came to our sport through federations financed, at least in part, by IOC/WPA money.

Just as important in motivating players worldwide is the way Matchroom has run with globalization of pool since the beginning of its tour in 2022, bringing major events to places like Poland, Spain, Morocco, Colombia, Vietnam, and now Saudi Arabia. They have also produced junior events in conjunction with the Matchroom majors.

WPA is doing its part, too, bringing pool to places like Puerto Rico and New Zealand, and building bridges between amateur and pro pool.

As a fan, I celebrate the globalization of the sport and know that it is a sign of good things to come for those choosing pro pool as a career.

 

[skogstokig]

You think filler and gorst can’t handle pressure? That’s your conclusion? Haha

Ok now is the time to go back to my post years ago when I said smaller pockets will add randomness and arbitrary outcomes to matches. These equipments will favor the weaker player and people didn’t believe me. In fact people laughed at me.

I’m sure people will catch on to my thinking purely from results. I hope it will be time where you see what I discovered years ago maybe some will never get it.

In pool the problem is randomness and by making pockets smaller you literally added more wider margin of luck and randomness. I’ll wait until people get it; maybe they won’t

But at least you’re seeing the results but then again some people will keep finding other excuses which as “can’t handle pressure” okay.

could you please inform mr soufi that this game is too hard and the pockets too tight, cuz he doesn't seem to know it yet

 

[BeiberLvr]

This argument that tighter pockets help lesser players puzzles me. I have heard a handful of top players, including SVB and Gorst, contend that tighter pockets favor better players. And why not. One would think they shoot straighter, are more accurate, get better position ...

I don't see how tougher conditions favor weaker players. And what I can see of this tournament, most of the best players are advancing. Sure, some got knocked out, but not seeing many big surprises.

The logic is that the better players will miss more than they would on larger pockets, thus giving the weaker player more opportunities.

No idea if the data actually backs it up though. My guess is it's a wash and better players still win more against weaker players regardless of pocket size.

 

[8cree]

This argument that tighter pockets help lesser players puzzles me. I have heard a handful of top players, including SVB and Gorst, contend that tighter pockets favor better players. And why not. One would think they shoot straighter, are more accurate, get better position ...

I don't see how tougher conditions favor weaker players. And what I can see of this tournament, most of the best players are advancing. Sure, some got knocked out, but not seeing many big surprises.

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