2024 World Pool Championship

[The_JV]

That's assuming that such details regarding "savers" or "chopping" are made public. It's entirely obvious that any such deals, if they exist, should remain completely confidential.

You're right, the this entire conversation is moot. However we're discussing the morality of "savers" and how it effects the product. Your stance seems to be that it doesn't effect product because there's a trophy and a title, and it's no one else business if players decide to do it. Mine is that the notion of it, (reality or not) undermines the product. Which is the magnitude of the moment. Not a title that only pool players care about, and all would sell for $150k if you offered it to them.

If some fool, that has to file $250k in winnings to only receive 175-200k...?... then they are an idiot. Regardless if it's made public or not. However you're right. That's their call. Still think MR would be well within their rights to boot the morons off their tour.

 

[The_JV]

I hope Matchroom continues to work on developing their ranking system because the world championship prize pool carries far too much weight as currently configured. Having one event with such an abnormal prize for first place narrows the world number 1 race down to two people: the current champ and next year’s. Not to mention the fact that it all but guarantees the winner a spot on the mosconi/reyes cup teams.

Yep, using prize money for determining rankings is a broken system with one event being so much larger than everything else. That said, not including the current World Champ, regardless of how much money they won otherwise would seem odd.

Might be cleaner just to reserve a slot for the current world champ. If they qualify with nationality already.

Money won seems easier on the surface but maybe a points system would allow varying prize pools and give MR the ability to place heavier weight on true majors without having it get out of hand.

 

[Nick B]

We got 200 random guys talking about something they have zero first hand knowledge about. Those two played their hearts out. I see no evidence of any funny business thus why the speculation? Lets stop making drama about dramaless events.

 

[skogstokig]

I hope Matchroom continues to work on developing their ranking system because the world championship prize pool carries far too much weight as currently configured. Having one event with such an abnormal prize for first place narrows the world number 1 race down to two people: the current champ and next year’s. Not to mention the fact that it all but guarantees the winner a spot on the mosconi/reyes cup teams.

Yep, using prize money for determining rankings is a broken system with one event being so much larger than everything else. That said, not including the current World Champ, regardless of how much money they won otherwise would seem odd.

Might be cleaner just to reserve a slot for the current world champ. If they qualify with nationality already.

Money won seems easier on the surface but maybe a points system would allow varying prize pools and give MR the ability to place heavier weight on true majors without having it get out of hand.

good posts! i love the transparency and meritocracy of moneyboard rankings but what if you get sick during the WC week? the WC big prize money is a blessing but it's skewing the rankings

 

[BasementDweller]

I may be in the minority but for a World Championship I think it's very beneficial to have a large differential between 1st and 2nd. If you don't have that, you most likely will not see a final like the one we just saw where you could really sense the tension. It will be even more so on display when our two most stoic professionals aren't playing each other in the final. If the difference is too small, then it will turn into two guys free wheeling as if they already won the lottery. Maybe a small exaggeration as I'm sure they all want to win the title but you get the point.

 

[sjm]

I hope Matchroom continues to work on developing their ranking system because the world championship prize pool carries far too much weight as currently configured. Having one event with such an abnormal prize for first place narrows the world number 1 race down to two people: the current champ and next year’s. Not to mention the fact that it all but guarantees the winner a spot on the mosconi/reyes cup teams.

Well said. Use of money won as rankings was working well until now, but the WPC has made the methodology obsolete. If one were to win all of the other Matchroom majors (UK Open, European Open, US Open, European Open, Spanish Open, Hanoi Open), the prize money won still falls short of the $250,000 Fedor won at the WPC.

The WNT ranking system needs a rewrite, and I'm sure Matchroom already knows it.

 

[The_JV]

I may be in the minority but for a World Championship I think it's very beneficial to have a large differential between 1st and 2nd. If you don't have that, you most likely will not see a final like the one we just saw where you could really sense the tension. It will be even more so on display when our two most stoic professionals aren't playing each other in the final. If the difference is too small, then it will turn into two guys free wheeling as if they already won the lottery. Maybe a small exaggeration as I'm sure they all want to win the title but you get the point.

I'm with you 100%.

I've always believed the differential between 1st / 2nd should be substantially more than the norm we're used to. The close proximity in prize money has almost made it a "why bother" situation.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Well said. Use of money won as rankings was working well until now, but the WPC has made the methodology obsolete. If one were to win all of the other Matchroom majors (UK Open, European Open, US Open, European Open, Spanish Open, Hanoi Open), the prize money won still falls short of the $250,000 Fedor won at the WPC.

The WNT ranking system needs a rewrite, and I'm sure Matchroom already knows it.

I think the only possible change will be to keep results for two or three years. I don't think that Matchroom will change from ranking points being equal to total money won in ranking events. The obvious solution is to have three or four other events with $200k first and $100k second prize. That'll fix it.

 

[Scrunge19]

I think the only possible change will be to keep results for two or three years. I don't think that Matchroom will change from ranking points being equal to total money won in ranking events. The obvious solution is to have three or four other events with $200k first and $100k second prize. That'll fix it.

They’ve already implanted something similar, Bob, as the current ranking system considers two years worth of results. Like you said, the $1 = 1 point system would be fine if they had like 5 or 6 major events that have a similar prize pool but they’re not far enough along in their development to be able to do that.

 

[CanadianGuy]

rankings all but guarantee Fedor will remain on top for a while, this is simply a glitch in the matrix associated with the first time massive prize fund and oversight on MR's end

not the worst problem to have,

as Bob has pointed out can be fixed by more big money tourneys

 

[sjm]

I think the only possible change will be to keep results for two or three years. I don't think that Matchroom will change from ranking points being equal to total money won in ranking events. The obvious solution is to have three or four other events with $200k first and $100k second prize. That'll fix it.

Yes, but that's a slow fix,

 

[markjames]

my memory gets better and better
and i’d guess it was around ten years
ago when the barry hearn empire first
came up with the idea of

most money won=highest world ranking

maybe it was twenty years ago
but it wasn’t always like this