2025 AZB Ghost Challenge - Official Thread

7-3 win.

I recorded a couple of sets this morning. This month isn’t starting off well, lol. I haven’t been playing much and my numbers so far are really bad. It’ll be interesting to see how everything adds up at the end of the month.

As an aside, I trimmed this set down to just over 8 minutes and was wondering…does this make the set easier to watch, for those who do watch?

YES! Definitely. I used to do the same, trim each shot to only show the final stroke. Not a single warmup stroke. It was a lot of work but looked really good. I quit doing it because it took too long to edit, and instead switched to speeding the whole video about 6x. BTW, one trick I learned was to use the sound spikes in the video timeline to make the edits go quicker. (I'm a complete amateur with video...) If you don't mind the work, yours looks great.

I'd also suggest on the very first break shot, do the same edit. I almost turned it off right then because it was showing too many warm up strokes. Yes, I know, we are in a short attention span era, and I'm completely in it, ha ha.
 
I’m trying something a little different this time. I recorded a set with commentary. Not as any sort of instructional thing though. Kind of the opposite. I’m just voicing my thoughts so you all know what I tried to do. My execution doesn’t always match my results, so I thought sharing what I’m thinking might help if anyone wants to give me some advice. I’m open to all suggestions and criticisms.

 
I’m trying something a little different this time. I recorded a set with commentary. Not as any sort of instructional thing though. Kind of the opposite. I’m just voicing my thoughts so you all know what I tried to do. My execution doesn’t always match my results, so I thought sharing what I’m thinking might help if anyone wants to give me some advice. I’m open to all suggestions and criticisms.

I like the narration! You play good I don’t think you made any glaring mental or strategic errors. The one that stood out was trying to shoot the 1 past the 4. I personally would have just shot it in the side oppposite the 2 ball hanging. I know it’s intuitive to shoot balls in the closest pocket that’s definitely the way to play but with bih you can get flexible. I watched Dennis orcollo play the ghost on a tight table and he would often surprise me where he would shoot the lowest ball with bih it was instructional for me
 
I haven’t been playing the ghost lately because all my allotted pool time I’ve been in action which is great. I’ll get back to it soon enough. In the mean time I finally got around to uploading my high run from the other week which was 5. It’s not edited or anything and the angle is kinda funny but it’s just my phone on a shelf. Brutal way to learn I’m going bald too lol.

Fargo is now 672 with 191 robustness.

 
I like the narration! You play good I don’t think you made any glaring mental or strategic errors. The one that stood out was trying to shoot the 1 past the 4. I personally would have just shot it in the side oppposite the 2 ball hanging. I know it’s intuitive to shoot balls in the closest pocket that’s definitely the way to play but with bih you can get flexible. I watched Dennis orcollo play the ghost on a tight table and he would often surprise me where he would shoot the lowest ball with bih it was instructional for me
I saw that when I watched the video back! The 1 in the side was definitely the shot. 🤦‍♂️ Thanks for the input!
 
I’m trying something a little different this time. I recorded a set with commentary. Not as any sort of instructional thing though. Kind of the opposite. I’m just voicing my thoughts so you all know what I tried to do. My execution doesn’t always match my results, so I thought sharing what I’m thinking might help if anyone wants to give me some advice. I’m open to all suggestions and criticisms.

Nice video!
Rack 1: that crucial stun shot you should use stun-drawish shot because then you get more action to cueball. It was so straight in that all energy get transferred to OB and you need lil spin energy to move the cueball.. Shooting too hard or cheat i don´t like as you mentioned there.

Rack 2: You get too bothered when balls are not nicely and shark yourself. Try think those layouts as challenges where you can make something cool ;). Missed obvious shot to side pocket to start because of that.

Rack 3: Position from 6 to 7 is common mistake. You had angle that was quite a lot thicker than half ball. You did not miss it thick as you said, it went middle of pocket. Those shots speed is easier to get right if think ball thickness before shooting. Half ball or lil thinner are we normally get speed about right. Thicker than half ball cueball you have to hit faster than you think and quarter ball hit or thinner you probably need less speed than you think.

Rack 4: I would play differently to 5,6 and 8 pattern. You thought opposite. Both are fine but I try avoid using draw shots to position always when side pockets can come into play with cueball.
I would roll 5 with slow outside and try leave about half ball hit to 6 for side pocket. Then I would just follow cueball to end rail and back to side pocket position to 8. That way it kinda comes towards angle and i feel you dont need then be so precisely on 8-ball.

Continue later...
 
Nice video!
Rack 1: that crucial stun shot you should use stun-drawish shot because then you get more action to cueball. It was so straight in that all energy get transferred to OB and you need lil spin energy to move the cueball.. Shooting too hard or cheat i don´t like as you mentioned there.

Rack 2: You get too bothered when balls are not nicely and shark yourself. Try think those layouts as challenges where you can make something cool ;). Missed obvious shot to side pocket to start because of that.

Rack 3: Position from 6 to 7 is common mistake. You had angle that was quite a lot thicker than half ball. You did not miss it thick as you said, it went middle of pocket. Those shots speed is easier to get right if think ball thickness before shooting. Half ball or lil thinner are we normally get speed about right. Thicker than half ball cueball you have to hit faster than you think and quarter ball hit or thinner you probably need less speed than you think.

Rack 4: I would play differently to 5,6 and 8 pattern. You thought opposite. Both are fine but I try avoid using draw shots to position always when side pockets can come into play with cueball.
I would roll 5 with slow outside and try leave about half ball hit to 6 for side pocket. Then I would just follow cueball to end rail and back to side pocket position to 8. That way it kinda comes towards angle and i feel you dont need then be so precisely on 8-ball.

Continue later...
Thanks for the insight! I’ll definitely play around with using stun draw on really flat angles to get more out of the CB. I had never even thought of that, but it makes perfect sense. And my attitude towards adversity in racks needs improvement, for sure. I briefly considered your pattern for the 5, 6, 8 in rack four. But, for some reason, I thought it would be a lot more challenging to hit those target zones. Rewatching, it really isn’t hard to hit those zones, and your pattern allows you to play each shot with a natural rolling ball. Much better!
 
Rack 2: You get too bothered when balls are not nicely and shark yourself. Try think those layouts as challenges where you can make something cool ;)
I uploaded me vs 9-ball God. Won 7-5. I tried to use side rails breaks because im on journey to copy break that is used to many pros when side rails breaks are allowed. Key is to controlling the one ball. I missed all breaks and got very bad starters most of times... But i had chance to Make cool shots and run outs.. just needed to suck up bad breaks and perform.

No good mic or anything but decided to upload anyways because cool play.

I will comment rest of your play later Peppersauce. Need to be on computer. I hate typing with mobile..
 
First post in the Ghost Challenge in quite a long time. I call this the Matchroom Ghost challenge - Race to 11, 9 ball racked on the spot, Matchroom Break Box and a 9' table with 4" corner pockets. Scratch on the break brings any made balls back up to the spot (This rule is a killer in this format with the cut break, because when you do scratch in the side it's usually when making 2 balls, one of which is the one ball, which is now frozen to another ball on the spot without a pocket).

Yes, the table is that tight - Table #3 along the left side of the room at Sandcastle Billiards for anyone local to NJ. The cloth is over 2.5 years old also, so there is no longer any "slide" on balls going in off a rail or the jaws of the pocket. The table really tests you, especially when you get slightly out of line.

This represents an almost weekly 7 month battle to beat this set...finally did it the other night with this 11-7 win. It was my 3rd set of the session, with the first two being 11-2 and 11-4 losses. Unhappy with my play to that point, I decided to stay and play one more, happy I did!


No sound in the video due to background music feed at the pool room, don't want video flagged for copywrite issues.

Have no idea how many sets I have lost in this format over that 7 month period, but previous close results include losses of 11-9 and multiple 11-7 losses. Now the goal is to see how quickly I can win this game again!
 
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Started April with a 3-7 loss against the 9 ball ghost. Got off to a slow start 0-3. Feeling better about cue ball control. I have had more time to practice in March so maybe I can start seeing some improvements. No real improvement for a while..
8ft Brunswick - 485 Fargo
Billy
 
Just realized it’s April already!
March numbers: 44-79

This month was not kind to me. These sets were the majority of my practice this month, and most were played in the same week. I’ll try to get more table time this month and, hopefully, get better results.
 
Lately i have been playing just 15-ball Ghost. Not really play matches because i lose 9 times out of 10. I just try really push my cueball control.
Just sometimes when i feel masochist enough i try matches.
But O Boy it feels good when you start making run outs like this.
A couple really nice shots in that rack...
 
Good shooting all! First post updated. Note, there is a glitch on the recent forum software update, and I can't paste google sheets anymore. I'll put screenshots of the spreadsheet until its fixed.
 
Played some more ghost this week. Lost 20-30. Was getting very frustrated, like to the point my cue was at great risk of becoming fire wood. Probably gonna take a break from the ghost for a while lol. Fargo is now 679 with 203 robustness
 
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