The field is 96. Eighty picks are named in the link above. Then there is a qualifier stage in which 16 others will get added to the main event.
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The field is 96. Eighty picks are named in the link above. Then there is a qualifier stage in which 16 others will get added to the main event.
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Lukas Fracasso-Verner got the invite and expenses for winning that BCA US National event in Quincy in July.
ok, i went by panozzo's number. 96 sounds better for a WC
Truer words were never spoken. Shootout is a joke which in my opinion does not belong in the sport.
I just remembered that Emily Frazer announced during the US Open a couple weeks ago that the World Pool Masters will be in early November (specific dates not announced).
And we shouldn't forget the Qatar World Cup 10-Ball, with the biggest purse in 10-Ball, on Oct. 23-Nov. 2, which overlaps the Philippines Open.
And the All Japan Championship, Nov. 17-23, which overlaps the International Open.
Doesn’t sound as bad as I thought listening to Panozzo on Doggin It. The federations had 32 picks or some such. The top 32 or so in WPA rankings got invites. Predator had 16 wildcards. They gave all former champions an auto if they wanted it. That allowed Ko Pin Yi and Eklent Kaci to get invites they otherwise probably wouldn’t.
Predator likely gave wild cards to SVB, Shaw, perhaps Yapp, but they had very few to hand out.
Residue of last year’s dispute, clearly. It seems Predator tried to get all the big names it could, but the WPA, the federations and Predator also had to reward the players who abided by their rules.
FSR was likely the main source of Panazzo for much of his info, reading between the lines. Sounds like he was invited to the qualifiers, but turned it down. He hasn’t played a lot of WPA events the past year. Players will have to play more in WPA events to get invited in the future.
Well within reason for Predator-WPA to expect that. Just like players have to attend lots of WNT events to get spots for invitationals such as Reyes, Mosconi, PLP, WPM, etc.
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Panozzo threw out a lot of interesting stuff on Doggin It.
*Insists Shane Van Boening won’t get an invite for Team World at the Reyes Cup because he is not playing in Hanoi.
*Thinks SVB might not even get a Mosconi slot if he doesn’t play at the Philippines Open.
*Thinks Team World will be Gorst and four Europeans.
*Thinks Filler is unlikely to be on Team World and might not even make it on the Mosconi.
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I suggested in another post that SVB skipping Hanoi was a way of telling MR/WNT that he is own man.
I am not sure he is upset with MR/WNT, but my guess is he thought they were partly to blame for the WPA dispute. SVB also has indicated he is done with bans and boycotts. So he’s gone from being very anti-WPA and pro-Matchroom to quite neutral.
By skipping Hanoi, SVB is forcing WNT to make a choice. Do they deny him a spot on Team World? Supposedly, WNT bylaws stipulate some level of participation in its events to be selected for Mosconi/Reyes. But his absence would be a glaring omission.
Now it’s possible SVB doesn’t really be on Team World. But who knows. In any case, if MR did pick SVB for Team World, it would be hard to argue Filler should be left off because of non-participation in Hanoi.
Maybe SVB is doing this on purpose to set a precedent for players. Time will tell.
*Insists Shane Van Boening won’t get an invite for Team World at the Reyes Cup because he is not playing in Hanoi.
*Thinks SVB might not even get a Mosconi slot if he doesn’t play at the Philippines Open.
*Thinks Team World will be Gorst and four Europeans.
*Thinks Filler is unlikely to be on Team World and might not even make it on the Mosconi.
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I suggested in another post that SVB skipping Hanoi was a way of telling MR/WNT that he is own man.
I am not sure he is upset with MR/WNT, but my guess is he thought they were partly to blame for the WPA dispute. SVB also has indicated he is done with bans and boycotts. So he’s gone from being very anti-WPA and pro-Matchroom to quite neutral.
By skipping Hanoi, SVB is forcing WNT to make a choice. Do they deny him a spot on Team World? Supposedly, WNT bylaws stipulate some level of participation in its events to be selected for Mosconi/Reyes. But his absence would be a glaring omission.
Now it’s possible SVB doesn’t really be on Team World. But who knows. In any case, if MR did pick SVB for Team World, it would be hard to argue Filler should be left off because of non-participation in Hanoi.
Maybe SVB is doing this on purpose to set a precedent for players. Time will tell.
Panozzo also hinted there is unhappiness among players about MR’s selection process for Reyes, and to a lesser extent, Mosconi.
The events are being used in part to pressure top players to play in WNT events when they conflict with WPA events, he suggested. The cutoff is very late – after Hanoi for Reyes selection and after the Philippines Open for Mosconi selection.
The selection for the Reyes in particular is seen quite arbitrary, with there being three wild cards among the five picks.
I don’t think it will matter with Team Asia. Yapp and Biado are the automatic picks. I think MR will add Chua, Ko Pin Yi and Duong and use the same team as last year.
These five are the Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7 ranked WNT players among Asians. Only Ko Ping Ching is better than Duong among other contenders, though a case could be made for Oi.
The events are being used in part to pressure top players to play in WNT events when they conflict with WPA events, he suggested. The cutoff is very late – after Hanoi for Reyes selection and after the Philippines Open for Mosconi selection.
The selection for the Reyes in particular is seen quite arbitrary, with there being three wild cards among the five picks.
I don’t think it will matter with Team Asia. Yapp and Biado are the automatic picks. I think MR will add Chua, Ko Pin Yi and Duong and use the same team as last year.
These five are the Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4 and 7 ranked WNT players among Asians. Only Ko Ping Ching is better than Duong among other contenders, though a case could be made for Oi.
Team World is certain to include Gorst, but the top European player is still up for grabs. FSR has a narrow lead, and Filler is No. 2.
It is unlikely to be Filler since he is skipping Hanoi and likely the Peri. Only Kledio Kaci seems to have a chance to overtake Francisco Sanchez Ruiz in the rankings.
Then there’s the three wild cards. Could Filler get a wild card? It is in MR’s interest, but what are the WNT rules for eligibility? Can he make the team by promising to play in the Philippines Open?
It would be best for WNT and Filler if they kissed and made up. We’ll see.
Shaw is close to as certain as a wild card pick could be, for the obvious reasons.
So Gorst, FSR, Shaw … and who.
Eklent Kaci would seem to be a candidate given his controversial statements about Pinoy players, but I think he would have to win either Peri or Hanoi to overtake his brother. Would be very unfair to pick him over Kledio based on each’s performance this year.
The final pick? If not Filler, who knows. Krause, Neuhausen and Souto should be the top candidates given their performance this year.
It is unlikely to be Filler since he is skipping Hanoi and likely the Peri. Only Kledio Kaci seems to have a chance to overtake Francisco Sanchez Ruiz in the rankings.
Then there’s the three wild cards. Could Filler get a wild card? It is in MR’s interest, but what are the WNT rules for eligibility? Can he make the team by promising to play in the Philippines Open?
It would be best for WNT and Filler if they kissed and made up. We’ll see.
Shaw is close to as certain as a wild card pick could be, for the obvious reasons.
So Gorst, FSR, Shaw … and who.
Eklent Kaci would seem to be a candidate given his controversial statements about Pinoy players, but I think he would have to win either Peri or Hanoi to overtake his brother. Would be very unfair to pick him over Kledio based on each’s performance this year.
The final pick? If not Filler, who knows. Krause, Neuhausen and Souto should be the top candidates given their performance this year.
The Mosconi is more settled, but is it? That will depend on how MR/WNT treats Shane for opting out of Hanoi.
Right now, Gorst is a locK. SVB is highly unlikely to be overtaken.
The third auto bid is a close race among Styer, Fracasso-Verner and Skyler. Dominguez and Thorpe aren’t very far behind. Oscar doesn’t plan to play Peri/Hanoi, though.
Though he doesn’t deserve it, Sky is most likely to be captain again.
So Gorst, SVB, Sky, Styer and ???
What if no SVB, then it gets very interesting. I’d guess Thorpe and Dominguez, but how can SVB be omitted if he and Oscar both don’t play Hanoi?
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Right now, Gorst is a locK. SVB is highly unlikely to be overtaken.
The third auto bid is a close race among Styer, Fracasso-Verner and Skyler. Dominguez and Thorpe aren’t very far behind. Oscar doesn’t plan to play Peri/Hanoi, though.
Though he doesn’t deserve it, Sky is most likely to be captain again.
So Gorst, SVB, Sky, Styer and ???
What if no SVB, then it gets very interesting. I’d guess Thorpe and Dominguez, but how can SVB be omitted if he and Oscar both don’t play Hanoi?
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If as jbart said in another post, if the players could enter a qualifying I am OK with it. It’s another sport etc… but no player in any sport, particularly if they are from an R&A country can ever complain about qualifying after Hogan had to qualify for the Open at Carnoustie in 1953.
. Traveled by ship too.Finally Team Europe for the Mosconi. Filler sits at No. 1 with $88,450, but he is not playing Peri/Hanoi. We don’t know if he will be in Manilla for the Philippines Open.
Next in line are:
2)Kledio Kaci - $77,450. 3)FSR - $61,350 4) Neils Feijin - $54,330 5) Jonas Souto - $53,900.
Others not far behind include Neuhausen, Labutis, Krause and Shaw.
If any of these players were to win Peri/Hanoi/Philippines, they would become locks.
Based on the calendar, Kledio seems to be a virtual lock. The other two auto spots are up for grabs.
One wild card is almost certain to be Shaw. He is unlikely to win on points alone.
The final wild card is, well, a wild card.
Next in line are:
2)Kledio Kaci - $77,450. 3)FSR - $61,350 4) Neils Feijin - $54,330 5) Jonas Souto - $53,900.
Others not far behind include Neuhausen, Labutis, Krause and Shaw.
If any of these players were to win Peri/Hanoi/Philippines, they would become locks.
Based on the calendar, Kledio seems to be a virtual lock. The other two auto spots are up for grabs.
One wild card is almost certain to be Shaw. He is unlikely to win on points alone.
The final wild card is, well, a wild card.
jax_joe
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It doesn't appear the Qatar event fully overlaps the Philippines Open. Philippines ends on Oct 26. In Qatar "Stage 2" play begins on Oct 28. A tight turnaround for sure but doable. The "Stage 1" appears to just be a qualifier event for 16 players to get entry into the 128 player stage 2 main event (https://qbsf.qa/api/Uploads/qwc-10-ball-en.pdf).
SVB just posted photos today of heading out on flights to Asia and specifically posted posters for World 10 & 8 Balls and Qatar.
The International doesn't have the greatest of sign ups so far. Hopefully it has a better turnout than what is showing online.
I see on Matchroom's calendar there is now showing a River City Open here in JAX for 11/6-9. When did that show up? Don't see any details online.
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Thanks; a bit of good news there, I guess. And most of the players in the Philippines will be out of that event before the 26th. I don't know whether players are required to attend the 10-Ball players' meeting in Doha at 7 pm on the 27th. If so, maybe an exception would be granted, if necessary for a few players.
Man, the Predator Vietnam events are really stretched out. The men's 10-Ball event, with 96 players, lasts 9 days. The double-elimination stage goes 5 days, playing at just 2 times each day (6 pm and 8 pm on Sat. & Sun., 3 pm and 8 pm Mon. - Wed.). Single-elimination, 32 players, then goes another 4 days (I don't see the times posted yet for that stage).
Weaved in with the men's 10-Ball is the women's 9-Ball (64 players). The women's double-elimination stage goes 4 days, at 1 pm and 3 pm on Sat. & Sun., 1 pm and 6 pm on Mon. & Tues. Then 3 more days for a 16-player single elimination.
[Times given are for the venue, in Ho Chi Minh City.]
Weaved in with the men's 10-Ball is the women's 9-Ball (64 players). The women's double-elimination stage goes 4 days, at 1 pm and 3 pm on Sat. & Sun., 1 pm and 6 pm on Mon. & Tues. Then 3 more days for a 16-player single elimination.
[Times given are for the venue, in Ho Chi Minh City.]
So great the WPA crap is over, the field looks amazing in this one. To bad there aren't more Americans.
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96 player event in 9 days is quite incredible
Nice post.... Also, the audience LOSES they are of equal importance to the venue.