3/8 - 10 pin
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Any heavy metal on cues really is a potential buzz source.joeboxer said:
G10 being more flexible, lighter and better gluing properties is very unlikely to cause a buzz imo.
Radial IS 3/8. Just different thread configuration. It has 7.5 rounded threads instead of 10 v-shaped on regular 3/8 10.pixies2 said:
Roadkill said:
Very interestering and educational. However, wouldn't a fatter pin be prone to cracking the wood the pin since there's not as much wood surrounding a 3/8 pin unlike the smaller pins that are protected by brass inserts? Also, as far as strength, wouldn't all be about the same if they're tight? Just wondering.
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Wouldnt the best be NO pin or joint? OK..then the closest to NO joint pin would be a similar connecting material as the 2 pieces you are connecting. ie a wood pin. Why dont cue makers use a hard wood as a pin? Yea I guess it would be more fragile and you have to take care of it...but wouldnt the resultant connection be closer to a 1 piece cue? Enquiring minds wanna know. My shaft does not have any metal in the threads...only a wood female thread. It seems to be holding up fine. Why not a wood male pin? Seems you would want the most homogeneous connection possible. Wood would be the material of choice to achieve that goal.
NaturalEnglish said:
this is how the deano cues are, there are a few for sale over in the wanted/for sale section.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=97305
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=96937
As a relative newby, I agree. Every component from your backhand forward affects the hit IMO. For the last two years I've been playing with McDermotts, both Cocobolo and Maple, with phenolic collars. Recently I acquired a mostly Maple Joss with stainless collar, 5/16 piloted. The harder. stiffer hit I was anticipating never materialized. Blindfolded, I probably couldn't tell which was which. There was probably more noticeable difference between Maple and Coco McD's than between a Coco McD and a Maple Joss.Bill the Cat said:
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jed1894 said:
Most 5/16 pins are piloted and have a brass insert to stregthen them. 3/8 10/11 or radial all are stronger joints IMHO and the hit is closer to a one piece cue. I am not a fan of stainless steel joints but if I was to choose a SS jointed cue I would choose a schon....hits really firm and is closest to flat face wood to wood joint.....as far as the pin possibly damaging the wood, use a phenolic insert...joint will come together tighter and it last longer.....just my 2 cents...
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td873 said:Please explain for the class.
I'm sure lots of current and future readers (if they figure out how to use the search functoin) will appreciate it.
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Well, I am not a cue maker, but whenever you are building let?s say structures. If you use a tongue and groove or duck tail or biscuits, etc... It is a lot stronger than just screwing it to the opposing surface. In the case of a piloted cue not only is it joined, it is also screwed. How strong is strong enough. I don?t think I have ever seen a flat faced cue break at the joint if tossed into a wall or across a table. It usually holds together fairly well and breaks at another spot.
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A flat faced joint is stronger than a piloted joint in the direction that is most important, along the length of a cue. The bigger the pilot, usually the less actual contact area on the plane perpendicular to the impact created by hitting the cue ball. However, there is another issue. Typical threads are not meant to locate anything radially. Since there is almost always some side force on a joint when the cue ball is hit there seems to be some advantage to either a small pilot or one of the different types of threads that can be used to locate something radially. Acme threads, radial threads or a special modification of "standard" threads that someone uses that gives them a flat top.
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PROG8R said:
A flat faced joint is stronger than a piloted joint in the direction that is most important, along the length of a cue. The bigger the pilot, usually the less actual contact area on the plane perpendicular to the impact created by hitting the cue ball. However, there is another issue. Typical threads are not meant to locate anything radially. Since there is almost always some side force on a joint when the cue ball is hit there seems to be some advantage to either a small pilot or one of the different types of threads that can be used to locate something radially. Acme threads, radial threads or a special modification of "standard" threads that someone uses that gives them a flat top.
Hu