Yeah that is what i am coming to find out. Even after reading all the links everyone has gracioulsy posted, not one of them mention an h0 class unless i missed it. they all refer to the h1-h7 and the hl1 and so on not one mention of a h0 class anywhere. I have extrapolated from the information i have read that it is supposed to be exact size and neither over or under but that ius impossible to do. (maybe not impossible to do but not for 30 bucks) you would have to be either over or under you could get close enough but lets say you were .000000000000000001 over that would still have you as an h1 and if you were .000000000000000001 under it would have you in the hl1 class. So it has to either be an oversite by someone or someone using the close enough method of tooling. Which is fine with me but it still sdoes not make it an h0. But i can definately see why they named it that now.
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Yeah that is what i am coming to find out. Even after reading all the links everyone has gracioulsy posted, not one of them mention an h0 class unless i missed it. they all refer to the h1-h7 and the hl1 and so on not one mention of a h0 class anywhere. I have extrapolated from the information i have read that it is supposed to be exact size and neither over or under but that ius impossible to do. (maybe not impossible to do but not for 30 bucks) you would have to be either over or under you could get close enough but lets say you were .000000000000000001 over that would still have you as an h1 and if you were .000000000000000001 under it would have you in the hl1 class. So it has to either be an oversite by someone or someone using the close enough method of tooling. Which is fine with me but it still sdoes not make it an h0. But i can definately see why they named it that now.
As an IT professional with 35 years experience, I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.
Gary
Seriously? I told you not to spout your credentials, because you don't know our backgrounds, and saying that you know how to use google because you are "one semester away" from getting an expensive piece of toilet paper does not impress me. You know what would impress me? You using your years of advanced math after reading the webpages to extrapolate that if H1 is .005 over sized, H2 is .010 oversized, H3 is .015 oversized and HL1 is .005 undersized, HL2 is .010 undersized, and HL3 is .015 undersized, hmmm... where would H0 lie? Of course, being in the IT field probably longer than you've been wiping your own rear end, I have come to expect people coming out of the universities now not to be able to actually do anything by themselves.
And binary? Really? That's your great accomplishment after wasting so much of your parents money? And wait...wait...wait.. You're talking about how much time you wasted reading google off an xbox and hunting and pecking there? I'm not trying to tell you how to do something in the IT field, I'm telling you how to do something that my grandmother knows how to do. I just expect you to be able to do it better since you're... well... in IT school, not really the field.
The reason I told you not to spout your credentials is because you make the rest of the profession look like pompous asses when you can't even make the effort to get on a computer and do a little research.
Reminds me of the UPS commercial, "I don't think you understand, I have an MBA."
"Oh, I'm sorry. I better show you how to do that step by step."
Thank you for respecting me enough not to just say gogle it like others I apreciate it. and as you have stated after reading some of the links i have seen here you are correct it seems way more complicated than its tighter, however its tighter would have been efficiant enough and if i then reply with why then it would have been more complicated.
As you stated before you learned all of your stuff by reading and doing the legwork. I myself am the same way. I like to read and find out things and why suff works. as all my friends will tell you, I have a vast array of knowledge on just about anything you can think of and if i dont know I try to learn it. Eventually I would like to build cues however I dont have the money for the high end shops some of you have so I am starting out small working with what I havbe doing repairs and sucking up as much bits of scraps I can find along the way to help me. If I cant afford to buy something I make My own equipment,
But even still by you reading books on something you are getting knowledge from someone else. It is not you figuring it out, it is you getting that knowledge from someone. Even when you do something on your own and figure it out on your own you are basing it on the knowledge you already know from someone elses knowledge.
As far as making lathes yourself, you said you build them but, and i mean no disrespect from this, I am guessing you mean you assemble them. I doubt severely you actually take the time to wrap the wires and everything to build the motor, then make the bed from metal ore, them put together the chuck by yourself then build every gear out of stock metal. More acurately you probably assemble the parts you buy from everyone else that has far more knowledge than yorself in the specifics of building motors and gears and the like. And honestly you would be a fool if you didnt go to them then assemble it. But im guessing if I even just brought you the raw components ready to assemble of each part ( motor spindle, wire, magnets, casing for the motor, a block of metal for the bed ect) you may be able to build the exact same machine that you produce now. You surely wouldnt charge the same for it now would you? Would it be of the same quality. We go to others with more knowledge so we can do whatever we do the best we can do it.
As far as chris hightowers book goes, no I would never expect him to give away free knowledge just cause I asked, However I would expect him if i asked him, "In your book you said this, I dont understand could you elaberate a little", I would expect him to realise that A) i already read his book. B) I have the utmost repect for the knowledge he has c) that I am saying he is infinately more wise than I on the subject at hand and D) that I am asking for him to help me to become the person he is trying to get me to become by writing the book in the first place. I would also expect him to answer me with something more than google it.
I come to this forum becasue I do have respect for people like you that have went out into the real world and done this stuff. and I really would like to become more like all of you. trust me I have the utmost respect for anyone who can do this but that does not mean I will show the utmost respect to those who disrespect me.
Case in point, I have met personally two different cue makers. One is Mike Martin out of ohio and one is Bob Dzurichy. Bob has always been respectfull of me never been a dick to me and treated me like a person. Mike Martin has treated me like a piece of shit every time i have ever had any dealings with him. We were playing in a tourney one time and he cept calling me MR. Poolstick Maker Man, because he knows I repair them. Bob has respect for the trade and pride in his work. Mike has no pride and I have fixed more of his screw ups than i would like to say. Every time someone brings me a tip he has done you can see glue all over the ferule, just no pride in his work at all. Do i have repect to Mike martin for the amount of knowledge he has? yes. Do i respect the man? Hell no. I tell everyone to stear clear of him unless they really dont care about quality. bob on the other hand I have the utmost respect for in every way. He is a very kind person and does not act like he is better than other people just becasue he has knowledge that they dont. and if anyone asks me whose stick to buy and trust me they do, whose stick do you think i am going to recomend?
Bottom line is if you show respect to others they will more often than not respond in kind. You showed me repect and I respect you for it. You didnt act like i was an idiot you took the time to explain your views. Views I agree with 100% by the way. And you sir have my respect.
http://www.victornet.com/cgi-bin/vi...departments=Special+Thread+Taps:618,1170,1171
Not an answer to your original question, however a lower priced solution to your reasoning in wanting to purchase one. I have one myself and it worked great. I also purchased on a tap from Atlas. This is just an option to save yourself some $$$$$ in the beginning. Good Luck and have fun.
Not an answer to your original question, however a lower priced solution to your reasoning in wanting to purchase one. I have one myself and it worked great. I also purchased on a tap from Atlas. This is just an option to save yourself some $$$$$ in the beginning. Good Luck and have fun.
First off i have been doing computers since i first tought nmyself how to program on an atari 800 xl when i was 8 years old. I went to the university to get the toiletpaper degree so i could get a job paying more than 15 bucks an hour becasue i didnt have the degree. I am less than a semester away becasue I gave up trying to go to school and teaching the instructors c++ just so they could grade my projects because the stuff i was doing was more advanced than what they knew. But i respect you fot the fact that you dont judge me for trying to better my situation by going to school and getting a degree for something I already knew how to do.
Second, binary isnt my great acomplishment. It is just something simple to point out just because something is simple to one person does not mean it is simple to others. Case in point, you think it is simple because you know it I would be willing to bet money there are 10 people for every one of us that dont know the first thing about binary. Does that make me better? No. But it proves that just becasue I know something that is simple does not mean everyone knows it is simple. But i respect you not belittling people because you know something they dont.
And by posting the vids You are trying to tell me how to do something. Simple as that. And anyone who does not think looking stuff up on google is part of the IT field is either lying to themselves or lying to you. Maybe your gramma can do it, maybe she cant, but if I already know she can and then i try to show her how to do something she already knows how to do dont you think i would be disrespecting her. But dont worry I respect you for not trying to teach me something i already know.
As far as in school not in the field, I have been working on computers since i was 8, I have taught myself basic, visual basic, vb.net, java, c++, html, android, ios, and am currently looking into maybe gcode. I have been in school, and in the field all my life but I have only been working in the computer field itself for pay for about 25 years now. I he been out of college for 10 years. But again I respect the fact that you assume I know nothing becasue you know something and how could others know as much as you.
And as far as my parents money. my parents did not pay one cent towards my education. I paid for college while working two jobs one of which was in the computer field. I have put in my dues dont try and act like Im some snot nose little shit running around with my dadies credit card. but i respect the fact you didnt assume I did it all on my own. ANd that I had to have help.
As far as xbox goes. If you must know the motherboard on my computer crashed the other day and I dont have the money to repair it because i am saving up my money to buy cue repair related stuff for a tourney i am doing later next month. I dont need a computer as mych as i do some tips and stock on a few items. I use the xbox becasue i can still get on the internet and look up stuff. i just cant save it. it does great for day to day activities just cant do elaborate stuff on it. Right now I dont need a computer as much as i do the money. But i completely respect the fact that you judge me for getting on an xbox instead of prioritizing.
I think your biggest mistake was thinking I gave a fuzzy dead dogs d*ck what you think of me. I am a self made man and I have never asked for a handout. I work for a living and I take pride in what I have and what I do, and jsut becasue you think you are better than me does not make it so. So get off your high horse, or dont, either way i dont care but shut the f*ck up either way.
holy shit eleven bucks. Sold.
RBC
Deceased
I don't build the motors that I use with the machines I build, as that would be stupid. It would be a kin to Goodyear having to grow the trees that the base rubber compounds come from.
I do buy motors, drives, linear guides and such because, as I said, it would be stupid to build them. I do, however, design from ground up the machines that we use. I draw them in a solid modeling program, tweak the designs to make them work properly and machine the parts from raw stock. My machines are one of a kind. I have even recently designed a circuit board for my machines because what I wanted was not commercially available. Again, I designed it, had the board manufactured, purchased all the components that I had to choose when designing the circuit, soldered them to the board, designed and machined an enclosure for the board, etc.
Trust me, I know what it takes to create something from scratch.
Have you seen our "Infinity Inlays"? I can assure you that I learned that from no one. I created the concept and the method. Also, our cue shafts were completely designed by myself and my business partner Don Owen. I have several things in the works, all original, that will probably make it to market within the next 2 years.
I think you missed the part about someone else's time. Chris spent his time writing that book, and he gets paid for it with each sale. When you come here and ask for information, you are asking someone to give their time to share that information with you without being compensated for it. Also, keep in mind that it's information that will help you to compete against them, usually for the money they feed their families with. If you don't like the responses, then I'd suggest that you ignore them. Or, you shouldn't expect the direction that they did provide with your next question.
As for the google search, I guess you didn't quite read between the lines. In a very nice way I questioned your statement about searching for the information. Go back and read what I said. I copied and pasted your exact question in the first post of this thread into google and received the very results you claim that you just could not find on your own. So I don't understand how if you used the same search that me and everyone else who read this did, that you came up with different results. I call this a "contradiction". You see, the thing is that "contradictions" don't really exist. If you find yourself faced with a contradiction, check your premises. One of them is wrong. Oh, by the way, I didn't come up with that one all on my own. I read it in a book written by Ayn Rand.
Have a nice day, and good luck with your cue building adventure.
Royce
Royce,
Although I agree that many of the designes are out of your head, and are things that may have not been around before you did them you still have to agree they are built off the knowledge you learned from others. You where not the first to build a lathe nor a shaft. Using what others have done before you you used that knowledge to build someonething better. That is what enginuity is all about. The inlays you do may be of your own design and be better or different than others before you but they are still built off of the ideas and knowledge others have.
Case in point, I can look at a Mecci cue and say to myself i can do better. I can build inlays that are more intricate, I can build the shaft out of different wood, or more pieces of wood, or not use wood at all. i can use anything I want, but the case still remains that Bob used his knowledge to build the cue I looked at. Then seing his ideas I tried to improve on them. Wheather i cut the inlays with as butter knife Ive modified or I use a 30000 dollar Cnc lathe I am still doing inlays. Inlays that i got the idea for from looking at his. lets say that I was the first to do inlays ever in the world. I would still be doing it off others work becasuei would be looking at a blank stick and I would be saying I could do better than this. The stick was somoen elses idea the inlay was mine. I cant just say I invented the stick becasue i put inlays into it. I have to acknowledge that someone else came up witht the stick and I just improved on it.
Enginuity is always pushing us to do better and it is a great thing becasue it makes us strive for perfection. But to deny that our work no matter how much differently it is done than others is solely our own and not based in part off the knowledge of others is just wrong. You say your shafts are different but im willing to bet that they are for the most part a piece of material that is tapered from one end to the other with somethign affixed to the end to hit the ball. That wasnt your idea. They have been doiing that for years before you came along, you have just prefected it. Your lathes although different from any other probably still clamp down and hold material then spin it. That idea has been around for centuries.
All I am saying that we are wise, not because of what whe know but becasue of what our predecessors have tought us, wheather it be what to do or what not to do.
As far as the google search goes, Occams Razor should be employed here. here is what we know so far as facts:
1) we know that the same search engine is being used
2) the same search phrase is being used
3) different results are being given
4) im the only one getting the different results.
Occums razor states that when loooking at competing hypotheses, the hypotheses with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
So one hypotheses would be that I am wrong and everyone else is right, however we are all cutting and pasting the exact same phrase and using the exact same search engine, so if one was right all would be right.
Next hypotheses would be that I am right and every one else is wrong. However you run into the same problem as you did with the last one wich means that that nullifies that one.
Next hypotheses woudl be that we all are wrong, however that would mean that I am wrong and getting the same thing you are which I am not therefore we cannot be all wrong.
Only hypotheses we have left is everyone is right. This is actually correct. I am using the same engine and getting different results as i have stated before, you are using the same search engine and getting different results, you are correct as well.
So how could we both be correct, well, it would have to be a variable I have that you dont or a variable you have that I dont. It may be the way my device processes the info that your pc does not. It may be in the filters that microsoft implements in the xbox that are not present in your home pc. It may be that I am oing through the xbox live connection and something is happening there, but I am guessing it has something to do with the connection there somewhere I have no idea.
You are very correct that it is a contradiction. if we take everything that is equal away from the eqation, whatever is left no matter how contradictory to the facts it may seem must be the truth.
Like i said earlier, and what I have been trying to point out this whole time, we are here to help each other not belittle each other. You have been extrememly straight foreward and respectfull with me and in turn I have been repectfull back. You can say things that contradict someone elses thoughts or ideas without belittling them or trying to make them feel like less of a person in the process. You have proven that with your well thought out comments and concise explainations. Others however have not been so respectful.
And As i said before, I mean no disrespect by saying you are building off of others ideas and thoughts. What you have with your inlays or lathes, you have come up wtih and that is all your ideas I am sure, however to deny that there were others before you and that you did not use their knowledge to better your self or your product would be akin to you saying you are the one that came up with the idea of using inlays in sticks. Or you are the one that built the first lathe.
I am sorry if you feel slighted as that was not my intent. I do value the work you have done, the time you have put in and the knowledge you have. My only holpe is that others realise that they are not the only ones to put in work and that their time is not the only time that matters.
As a side not I just realised you are with OB cues. I love your shafts. I am currently usiung a Jacoby with an old OB classic pro a friend gave me and i love it. When I get enough money together that is not already earmarked for other things, I plan on getting one that fits my cue better, but for now I will just have to muddle along with this one. I sell quite a few cues to the locals here and everyone asks me what the best shaft is for the money and I just pull out my predator with a 314 my Meucci with the ultimate weapon, my wifes McDermott with the g-core, and my jacoby with the classic pro on it and let them play with all of them. Out of the last 6 sticks I have sold with upgraded shafts, 5 of them upgraded to OB for their shaft. I dont need to sell them they sell themselves. Very good product.
I can't wait for the next die question.
i'm still trying to figure out what an X-box is,
and if it's a tight box or loose box:grin:
RBC
Deceased
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it, cannot be conquered by it."
Ayn Rand
Good luck, and good cue building
Enigmaticul
Banned
Only on az can a thread go from a simple question to this. It's just incredible.
I once had to solve quartic equations in the general sense (in Fortran no less!) in order to model both direct and diffuse light interception of loblolly pine crowns defined by a trigonometric profile. Does anyone care? On top of finding the real zeroes of the quartics, solving the integrals were tough!
Doesn't that impress you all? Does anyone care? Huh? What? No? I didn't think so...
Doesn't that impress you all? Does anyone care? Huh? What? No? I didn't think so...
I once had to solve quartic equations in the general sense (in Fortran no less!) in order to model both direct and diffuse light interception of loblolly pine crowns defined by a trigonometric profile. Does anyone care? On top of finding the real zeroes of the quartics, solving the integrals were tough!
Doesn't that impress you all? Does anyone care? Huh? What? No? I didn't think so...
Quadratics can be a bit challenging at first but once you get the hang of them, they go pretty easy.
My biggest hurdle was the 'thermal transients'. Still baffles me. Lol
KJ
The question was already answered .
And even supplied with a different source.
Consider this:
An aspiring actor asked Ben Afleck an advice how to make it in Hollywood. Ben Afleck told the aspiring actor to quit now as there is no future for him in Hollywood. Something about Hollywood sucks and most fail and don't make money. Ben said, if that aspiring actor listened to him, he wasn't going to make it anyway.
Apply that to cue making and this place. If you can't deal with these nasty cue makers here, you're probably not going to make it . It takes a ton of heart to make cues ( well, GOOD cues I mean. Anyone can buy blanks and slap them together ) and make a name for yourself . Putting up with the crowd here is cake compared to what you will have to deal with in the shop.
I once asked my late mentor how many times he cried in his cue making venture. He just laughed b/c he probably lost count. I remember sobbing twice after two accidents on cues. I didn't hurt myself but one of the cues became a souvenir . One was saved. When I say I was sobbing, I kid you not. Cried like a kid who lost his pet or something.
Someone getting "abused" here after asking a question he might have found out the answer to had he tried harder to call the SUPPLIER that supplies the tool, doesn't have much weight to whine here imo. Take the names of the ones who you think was out of line here. I would bet you, he's still MIGHTILY LUCKY they contribute here . The FREE KNOWLEDGE you can get from those peeps will save you HUNDREDS of hours of learning time I bet. Not to mention a ton of money.
You gotta take the good with the bad.
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