3 Past The Headstring rule is BS

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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They want to take the luck out of 9 ball...I get it. Make it no 9 anywhere on the break counts as win. I don't know how many games and matches were lost because the UNLUCKY player had balls on the kissed from going over the line. These guys travel with $1000 in their hand from all over the world. Not fair losing because of not enough balls go in or past a line. I can't see where that rule is fan friendly either. The MR, 9 on spot, 2 ball in back of rack, very small break box, and no soft breaks would do a better job. Of course doing away with 9 ball altogether and play 10 ball or 15 ball rotation would be even better. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
They want to take the luck out of 9 ball...I get it. Make it no 9 anywhere on the break counts as win. I don't know how many games and matches were lost because the UNLUCKY player had balls on the kissed from going over the line. These guys travel with $1000 in their hand from all over the world. Not fair losing because of not enough balls go in or past a line. I can't see where that rule is fan friendly either. The MR, 9 on spot, 2 ball in back of rack, very small break box, and no soft breaks would do a better job. Of course doing away with 9 ball altogether and play 10 ball or 15 ball rotation would be even better. Johnnyt
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Agree, the 3 across rule sucks bigtime!

Make 2 on the break and straight in on next ball, and it's a foul? What kind of ignorant crap is that??? Serves no purpose at all
Jason
 
Johnnyt said:
They want to take the luck out of 9 ball...I get it. Make it no 9 anywhere on the break counts as win. I don't know how many games and matches were lost because the UNLUCKY player had balls on the kissed from going over the line. These guys travel with $1000 in their hand from all over the world. Not fair losing because of not enough balls go in or past a line. I can't see where that rule is fan friendly either. The MR, 9 on spot, 2 ball in back of rack, very small break box, and no soft breaks would do a better job. Of course doing away with 9 ball altogether and play 10 ball or 15 ball rotation would be even better. Johnnyt
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Why does everyone keep insisting on adding balls to the rack of 9-ball? It isn't the 10-ball or 15-ball Open...it is the 9-ball Open.

What is broken, is that people keep changing the game. Faster cloth, faster rails, jump cues, magic racks, alternate breaks, BIH, three balls past the side pocket (or past the line), etc, etc, etc.

Make it one cue per player, slower cloth, old-school rules. If you can't break and shoot with the same cue, you can't play IMHO.
 
HawaiianEye said:
Why does everyone keep insisting on adding balls to the rack of 9-ball? It isn't the 10-ball or 15-ball Open...it is the 9-ball Open.

What is broken, is that people keep changing the game. Faster cloth, faster rails, jump cues, magic racks, alternate breaks, BIH, three balls past the side pocket (or past the line), etc, etc, etc.

Make it one cue per player, slower cloth, old-school rules. If you can't break and shoot with the same cue, you can't play IMHO.
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Now we're talkin
 
jasonlaus said:
Agree, the 3 across rule sucks bigtime!

Make 2 on the break and straight in on next ball, and it's a foul? What kind of ignorant crap is that??? Serves no purpose at all
Jason
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Just another rule to attempt to fix a truly broken game. 9-ball needs to go. Keep it for lower skilled leagues but kill it otherwise. Pros playing 9 ball has seemed really goofy for a long time now.

Singed,
Captain Obvious
 
They should make it a legal break if you make 2 balls, no matter what.
Make it two-ball combination to the head string. Not three.
You make one ball and a ball gets over the head string, it should be legal.
Quit spotting the 9. Might as well rack one ball below the foot spot if you want to take out the wing ball.
 
As much as I don't like the 3 ball rule they have managed to keep the players from making each other re-rack over and over again. And they have found a way to have the players rack their own rack with a magic rack and not make the same ball on the break every time.
 
HawaiianEye said:
Make it one cue per player, slower cloth, old-school rules. If you can't break and shoot with the same cue, you can't play IMHO.
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It's not that people can't break with one cue, I think it's that people don't want to. When people spend more than $75 on their cue, they tend to start thinking about ways to take care of it and keep it nice. Hitting the hardest shot in pool begins to settle in your mind as one of those moments you're not taking care of it.

Maybe I'm a pathetic new age player but that's how I see it.
 
Johnnyt, I think you have it exactly backwards. The point of the rule isn't to take away luck, it's meant to re-introduce it.

I actually like the rule. From what I've seen this week, the better player still wins, and all but a couple of mismatches have gone to the wire. I'd rather see a close drama-filled match than a predictable break and layout over and over. I think this week, other than the first couple of days when the stream was jacked up, I've gotten my money's worth.

Money won is twice as sweet as money earned
 
DoomCue said:
Johnnyt, I think you have it exactly backwards. The point of the rule isn't to take away luck, it's meant to re-introduce it.

I actually like the rule. From what I've seen this week, the better player still wins, and all but a couple of mismatches have gone to the wire. I'd rather see a close drama-filled match than a predictable break and layout over and over. I think this week, other than the first couple of days when the stream was jacked up, I've gotten my money's worth.

Money won is twice as sweet as money earned
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Yep....all tournaments should be won by the luckiest player in the field....who the hell care about who the BEST player is:rolleyes:
 
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I think the rule is a form of discrimination towards the senior players and others that can not break as hard as they once could.


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At it's core, pocket billiards is an exercise in problem-solving and execution. I think when the layout is repeatedly the same after a break, one half of those things disappears because it limits the problems that need to be solved. I prefer a little random-ness because I think it makes for more exciting matches, and from what I've seen this week, that's exactly what's happening.

Do I think it's a little unfair that somebody can make two balls after the break and not be rewarded for it? Sure I do, but I think that's an acceptable alternative to pattern racking and pattern breaking.

Money won is twice as sweet as money earned
 
This terrible rule has nothing to do with pattern racking or rack your own.

Do you guys honestly think they are fouling every other rack on purpose? The amount of fouls shows exactly why this is a bad rule.

I'm surprised Corey didn't soft break on purpose.....and I mean real soft break, like softer than 1 pocket
Jason
 
As a fan, nothing is worse than rooting for your favorite player and then they lose control of the table because they didn't get 3 balls past the headstring. It's an arbitrary rule and I prefer soft breaking to be honest. One of many reasons I don't watch as much pool as I used to.
 
I don't mind the rule at all honestly. The issue isn't the fact that balls don't make it over the line but it's the way they're breaking. I understand wanting to make a ball on the break to keep shooting but if it's not guaranteed to get three balls over and it's illegal then that's your fault. I seen Dennis do that I believe 3 times against Ko and he still won. You're pros, you should be able to adapt especially since you know the rules before hand. I hate 9 ball all together and agree it should be left for only league players but when I play and someone lucks something in I don't get mad because that's the rule and I k ow that before playing.
 
Proofsc said:
I understand wanting to make a ball on the break to keep shooting but if it's not guaranteed to get three balls over and it's illegal then that's your fault.
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IMO a player should never be penalized for breaking the balls hard and making a ball, yet's that's happened over, and over, and over again in this tournament.
 
Proofsc said:
I don't mind the rule at all honestly. The issue isn't the fact that balls don't make it over the line but it's the way they're breaking. I understand wanting to make a ball on the break to keep shooting but if it's not guaranteed to get three balls over and it's illegal then that's your fault. I seen Dennis do that I believe 3 times against Ko and he still won. You're pros, you should be able to adapt especially since you know the rules before hand. I hate 9 ball all together and agree it should be left for only league players but when I play and someone lucks something in I don't get mad because that's the rule and I k ow that before playing.
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Terrible rule period. Yeah, these players have been lucking balls in the whole tournament:rolleyes:

9ball is a luck game blah, blah, blah, horses#*! Maybe the way you play it.
 
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times....all these rules changes are to the benefit of the dead money players....in order to make them feel like they have a chance of wining something at the US Open....and to afford them more bang for their buck.....because their money is NEEDED in order to make up the majority of the prize money....it's all about handicapping the Pros to slow them down from just blowing through the field of wannabes!!!
 
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