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Misunderstand me correctly, but I do not feel sorry for the people in the qualifiers. They tried, but weren't good enough.

That's like feeling sorry for someone who end up last in tournaments, they also have costs regarding travel, hotel and food, but do not get paid...

The way I see it you feel sorry for the people who try to qualify no matter what happens, if the IPT pay or not? If that's correct you should also feel sorry for me since I never get in the money in tournaments, so thank you for the thoughts!!!

Btw, CJ haven't played 4 2000$ qualifiers, has he?
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Misunderstand me correctly, but I do not feel sorry for the people in the qualifiers. They tried, but weren't good enough.

That's like feeling sorry for someone who end up last in tournaments, they also have costs regarding travel, hotel and food, but do not get paid...

The way I see it you feel sorry for the people who try to qualify no matter what happens, if the IPT pay or not?

Btw, CJ haven't played 4 2000$ qualifiers, has he?
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I didn't say that I felt sorry for them. I was simply pointing out the vast difference between the folks that tried like heck to get on and didn't, to the people that were given a tour card.

I do however have more "sympathy" towards the folks that played in the earlier qualifiers. The players had already been paid for Orlando when the qualifiers took place so they had less reason to believe that KT wouldn't/wasn't going to pay.

For the guys that have paid to play in a qualifier since Reno... knowing that the players from Reno haven't been paid.... I can appreciate them hoping that the tour will go on but I don't appreciate their gambling sense... odds are, this round of qualifiers is a much worse bet than the round prior to Vegas.

Yes, CJ played in the first four qualifiers... those were $2000 a pop.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=23517&highlight=qualifier
I checked the IPT website for the players and he played in the first 4 and those first 4 are the one's Deno referenced in the link above.
 
What about the upper echelon players who would be almost guaranteed tour cards in 07? Some of these players have new homes or cars that they purchased under the assumption that the IPT would be funded for an extended period of time.

Some of these players also have wives and children that they have to take care of.

Mike
 
AzHousePro said:
What about the upper echelon players who would be almost guaranteed tour cards in 07? Some of these players have new homes or cars that they purchased under the assumption that the IPT would be funded for an extended period of time.

Some of these players also have wives and children that they have to take care of.

Mike
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Hence my expressed anger for the players that are owed money. One guy that has 3 kids did well in Reno... thinking that the money was coming, he treated himself to a new vehicle that he currently cannot afford.

The only reason I haven't used this scenario as part of my argument to date is because the players that did this, did so before having the money in hand so they do have some culpability in their current dilemma.
 
They definitely do, but what do you do when you are a player and you have a family at home that has not gone through the history of promoters disappearing on the players.

The player wants to take care of their family and the family sees the promise of this money coming in. It puts the player in a tough spot.

They are in an even tougher spot now.

Mike

Timberly said:
Hence my expressed anger for the players that are owed money. One guy that has 3 kids did well in Reno... thinking that the money was coming, he treated himself to a new vehicle that he currently cannot afford.

The only reason I haven't used this scenario as part of my argument to date is because the players that did this, did so before having the money in hand so they do have some culpability in their current dilemma.
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It was already difficult for the IPT to try and establish trust and reputation with the pool world that has been scammed and cheated for decades. Just as they were getting it, they've blown it bigtime. Now there is no hope for a sense of security or legitimacy in pool ever again. It was pretty much non-existent before, now it is a sheer impossibility.


With the possible failure of the IPT, there won't be another attempt (at least in this generation) to elevate pool. This will wave a huge red flag to the investors and entrepreneurs of the world that pool is a lost cause.


Hey, at least KT tried...even if that attempt was shady. No one else tried this at this scale.
 
Bola Ocho said:
It was already difficult for the IPT to try and establish trust and reputation with the pool world that has been scammed and cheated for decades. Just as they were getting it, they've blown it bigtime. Now there is no hope for a sense of security or legitimacy in pool ever again. It was pretty much non-existent before, now it is a sheer impossibility.


With the possible failure of the IPT, there won't be another attempt (at least in this generation) to elevate pool. This will wave a huge red flag to the investors and entrepreneurs of the world that pool is a lost cause.


Hey, at least KT tried...even if that attempt was shady. No one else tried this at this scale.
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It's not the "try" that bothers me. It's the LIE that followed it!
 
I Disagree.

Bola Ocho said:
With the possible failure of the IPT, there won't be another attempt (at least in this generation) to elevate pool. This will wave a huge red flag to the investors and entrepreneurs of the world that pool is a lost cause.
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Pool is growing in popularity around the world. And there is more international T.V. coverage all the time.

Big money pool is coming. KT has something close to the right idea. I just think he is the wrong guy (convicted felon, scourge of the FTC, etc.) for the job.
 
Cuaba said:
Pool is growing in popularity around the world. And there is more international T.V. coverage all the time.

Big money pool is coming. KT has something close to the right idea. I just think he is the wrong guy (convicted felon, scourge of the FTC, etc.) for the job.
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I think it is Danny DiLiberto who talks about all the players being spoken to at a Player's meeting in the 60's that they should all dress real nice and be on their best behavior because pool was on the verge of the big time. Big Corporate sponsors had their pen in hand.

It's been like a broken record ever since i've been around and maybe one day it will change but I am not counting on it. Ill just keep enjoying pool and try not to laugh when i hear that crap.
 
Heh....


If you think about it, the next model for big time pool should allow players to dress they way they want. It seems that dressing up has ZERO effect given past results.


Poker players dress like shit, no one cares, it's on TV ALL THE TIME on like 10 different channels.
 
Cuaba said:
Pool is growing in popularity around the world. And there is more international T.V. coverage all the time.

Big money pool is coming. KT has something close to the right idea. I just think he is the wrong guy (convicted felon, scourge of the FTC, etc.) for the job.
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You are correct. As I've stated earlier, I truly believe KT knew the day for pool was coming. He built a cheap Hollywood set -- big flashy front, 2x4s holding it up in the back. His intention was to show the interest it could generate, and have someone else buy it before it became a money-sucking drain on his own assets. Companies do this to fluff their stock values or threaten a competitor into buying them out -- ALL THE TIME. This particular business gambit is not KT's invention, it's well covered ground. He just started too soon, flamed out too quickly, and immediately poisoned the well.

The problem with IPT's legitimacy (and therefore, it's saleability) is Kevin Trudeau himself. Very few mainstream businesses are willing to connect themselves with him. And, clearly, the IPT is HIM. It's a narcissistic stage he created to strut around on and stroke his own ego in public. That also undercuts its buyout value. If he had made this an objective professional endeavor, instead of a personal power trip, his plan might have actually worked. Instead, he has threaded his own personality too tightly into it to appeal to any prospective mainstream buyer. Throw in the lies swirling around the non-payment and you have a real turd.

The IPT itself won't make it to the level of televised professional poker, but its successor might. The basic ideas are sound, but the baggage and the strench of KT's dirty laundry leave the whole thing DOA.
 
Cuaba said:
Pool is growing in popularity around the world. And there is more international T.V. coverage all the time.

Big money pool is coming. KT has something close to the right idea. I just think he is the wrong guy (convicted felon, scourge of the FTC, etc.) for the job.
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Actually I personally think that professional pool has peaked and from now on it will just be the same little tournaments that no one cares about. Only the players will attend.

Tournaments really are a scam. The players show up, put up their money, and the same few people keep winning and walking away with the money. People with no chance of winning any money are starting to realize that it really makes no sense to keep putting up the money and not getting any back. What is the fun of putting up $40, $50, $100 to get beat by a pro. A person can just rent a table and play a lot of cheap sets for that money.

If you draw Earl, and he is not the only one, he looks down on you and says you have no business playing him. Of course he is right and people are starting to realize that and not bothering to enter tournaments anymore.

Jake
 
Well Said

cuetique said:
You are correct. As I've stated earlier, I truly believe KT knew the day for pool was coming. He built a cheap Hollywood set -- big flashy front, 2x4s holding it up in the back. His intention was to show the interest it could generate, and have someone else buy it before it became a money-sucking drain on his own assets. Companies do this to fluff their stock values or threaten a competitor into buying them out -- ALL THE TIME. This particular business gambit is not KT's invention, it's well covered ground. He just started too soon, flamed out too quickly, and immediately poisoned the well.

The problem with IPT's legitimacy (and therefore, it's saleability) is Kevin Trudeau himself. Very few mainstream businesses are willing to connect themselves with him. And, clearly, the IPT is HIM. It's a narcissistic stage he created to strut around on and stroke his own ego in public. That also undercuts its buyout value. If he had made this an objective professional endeavor, instead of a personal power trip, his plan might have actually worked. Instead, he has threaded his own personality too tightly into it to appeal to any prospective mainstream buyer. Throw in the lies swirling around the non-payment and you have a real turd.

The IPT itself won't make it to the level of televised professional poker, but its successor might. The basic ideas are sound, but the baggage and the strench of KT's dirty laundry leave the whole thing DOA.
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KT is smart enough to see where pool is going. But he can't seem to operate in a fashion other than his sleazy infomercial deception style. It has made him a lot of money in the past. But I don't think it will work with a legitimate sport.

And I don't believe that big money sponsors will ever want to associate with him.
 
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