300game or 11racks in a row

[StormHotRod300]

Ok, i was a little disturbed by a comment someone said about bowling a 300 being easier than running 11racks in a row.

Now i would assume 100% of the guys on the PBA Tour have shot a 300game, at some point intime of thier life. Now i believe only 15 or so 300's have ever been thrown while in a TV match. Plus the conditions ( oil patterns ) the pro's bowl on are very tough. Its not some Joe Somebody Thursday nite league shot.

And if your thinking well i bowl and carry a 220avg, and i have 4 or so 300's this yr. Then why dont you take your sorry lil pansy azz out on tour and find out how tough it is to shoot 300.

Now i am not saying running 11racks in a row is all that easy, but i would imagine that Pro's could run 11racks in a row if given the chance, more times than a Pro bowler could throw a 300game on TV.

Now of course, the extra prize money also is a be a benifactor in helping the Pro pool player, crush the racks and shoot at tougher shots.

I remember a yrs back the PBA usta have a 100,000$ prize if anyone shot a 300game on TV, and i believe only 1 or 2 people got that prize, so its not like the PBA didnt have a similar prize situation.


Anyways thats my rant for the Day


Dave

 

[k-carson]

well niether one is no easy feat ( and i never even though of the comparison
before reading your post )

but here is one way of looking at is a 300 requires a little luck in your favor
and a great level of skill and preforming perfection 12 times in a row

pool requires all the above but more than 12 times however if you blow your leave a great shot can get you back in line


my local bowling alley has a plaque on the wall for everyone with a 300
and there are a lot more of them than the number of people that will ever run
11 racks in a row in my local pool room

 

[mjantti]

Here in Finland there are dozens and dozens of bowlers with a perfect 300 game. And for sure no one has run 11 racks in a row. In fact, I'm not sure if Mika has done it either...

I'd more or less compare 300 in bowling to a 8-9 racks in a row in 9-ball.

 

[cuejoey]

Here in Finland there are dozens and dozens of bowlers with a perfect 300 game. And for sure no one has run 11 racks in a row. In fact, I'm not sure if Mika has done it either...

I'd more or less compare 300 in bowling to a 8-9 racks in a row in 9-ball.

bowling 300 would take less than half an hour...running 11 racks alot more..fatigue sets in after awhile..to make it short i have come very close to 300 a few times is my life ..rack wise i think 300 would approxmately be 4 or 5 racks...which i have never done..throwing a bowling ball a few times and sitting in between or standing and shooting 300 shot after shot..no question pool is harder...

 

[bruin70]

Ok, i was a little disturbed by a comment someone said about bowling a 300 being easier than running 11racks in a row. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Anyways thats my rant for the Day


Dave

I DON'T KNOW FROM BOWLING, BUT......running racks is always subject to,,,,,do you sink a ball on the break/do you have a shot on the first ball,,,,and 11 times in a row no less.

and haven't women bowled 300 before? i don't think any woman has run 11 racks. please,,,no PC police

 

[Celtic]

A 300 is way more likely to happen then a 11 rack run. There is ALOT more luck required in the 11 rack run, then in bowling a 300 and alot more varied skill then throwing to the pocket 12 times on a bowling alley. You said it yourself 15 times on TV a 300 has been done, a complete 11 rack run I dont believe has ever been done on TV, even Stricklands was only recorded from the 5th rack on.

As was also said above, many a league bowler will throw a 300 in their lifetime, few pool players pro or otherwise will ever run 11 racks in a row, when Archer did it against Bustamente they both signed the table and the feat became lore it was so rare.

To break the balls, make a ball, and have a runtout chance on each table in the 11 racks is about as rare as throwing the 300, that is not including the actual running out of every rack without a missed ball or shape.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Ok, i was a little disturbed by a comment someone said about bowling a 300 being easier than running 11racks in a row.

Now i would assume 100% of the guys on the PBA Tour have shot a 300game, at some point intime of thier life. Now i believe only 15 or so 300's have ever been thrown while in a TV match. Plus the conditions ( oil patterns ) the pro's bowl on are very tough. Its not some Joe Somebody Thursday nite league shot.

And if your thinking well i bowl and carry a 220avg, and i have 4 or so 300's this yr. Then why dont you take your sorry lil pansy azz out on tour and find out how tough it is to shoot 300.

Now i am not saying running 11racks in a row is all that easy, but i would imagine that Pro's could run 11racks in a row if given the chance, more times than a Pro bowler could throw a 300game on TV.

Now of course, the extra prize money also is a be a benifactor in helping the Pro pool player, crush the racks and shoot at tougher shots.

I remember a yrs back the PBA usta have a 100,000$ prize if anyone shot a 300game on TV, and i believe only 1 or 2 people got that prize, so its not like the PBA didnt have a similar prize situation.


Anyways thats my rant for the Day


Dave

I have to agree with the rest. 300 may be some mean feat but 11 racks is a once in a life time achievement for even the best players ever. You can't compare the two.

I've played in pro events and have spent countless hours in poolrooms that featured the best players in New York City and I've NEVER EVEN WITNESSED 11 racks. I'm certain that if I spent 1 year bowling as often as I shoot, I'd see plenty of 300 games.

 

[nail]

How many 300s have you seen in straight pool?

 

[Johnnyt]

My dad played both games very well. He played some of the best around in pool in the 30's and 40's. He had three 300 games that I remember and NO 11 racks in pool. He ran over 100 in pool many times. 11 racks are way harder than 300.
Johnnyt

 

[hobokenapa]

not realistic

It's not realistic to compare the difficulty of tasks in different games on how many pros in the particular game can do that feat. Games have widely different numbers of players, and the ability pros reach on that game is closely linked to the financial rewards it brings. If pool had the same financial rewards as golf or tennis, we'd see a much higher level of play brought about by extra practice time to chase those rewards, and the sheer volume of extra players there would be. The number of pros that would then be able to do 11 racks in a row would increase dramatically.

A fairer way is how much time it takes to be able to achieve the feat. So if you were really dedicated and put in three hours of practice for ten years, what are the chance of getting a 300 in bowling, or 11 straight racks? Only then will we really know.

As an example, a 300 bowling score seems much much easier than breaking 70 at golf. But tens of thousands of golfers have broken 70 because there are so many more top players, and the game offers richer financial rewards. People just get BETTER at the game. That does not detract from the underlying difficulty. Vijay hits over 1000 balls a day, EVERY day. That is one of the reasons he is No. 1 in the world.

 

[sjm]

My guess is that an eleven pack is comparable to bowling 300 twice in a row, and that there are probably about the same number of people that can honestly claim to have done the former as the latter.

 

[drivermaker]

My guess is that an eleven pack is comparable to bowling 300 twice in a row, and that there are probably about the same number of people that can honestly claim to have done the former as the latter.

I know a guy in Florida that bowled (3) 300 games in a row, seriously. He was listed in the Guiness Book of Records for a while but I think THAT has now been done numerous times. How many racks would 3 equal?

 

[Rude Dog]

I know a guy in Florida that bowled (3) 300 games in a row, seriously. He was listed in the Guiness Book of Records for a while but I think THAT has now been done numerous times. How many racks would 3 equal?

Glenn Allison was the first ever to bowl three consecutive 300 games in 1982 at La Habra 300 Bowl in La Habra, Ca. But, it was never sanctioned because of the oil pattern that night. It's been done several times since he did it though. Bowling a 300 game doesn't even compare to running 11 straight racks of 9 ball. A 180 avg. bowler can shoot 300. Can a "B" player run 11 racks? Um........I don't think so. Peace, John.

 

[jason]

Are there any compiled and accurate stats that we maybe able to use to figure the odds? We could create a formula to calculate a reasonable prediction.

For example, how many times do the pros make a ball on the break? How many times do they scratch on the break? How many times are they forced to jump at the first ball? kick at the first ball? balls are tied up? Then we have the Cory factor...we will just leave him out of the stats for this conversation!

I know that the runout percentage (EROs) in my league, for the top players (state champs, national masters, semi-pros) is around 20% for eightball. One would think it would be a little easier to do then it is but the numbers don't support that idea.

 

[Qnut]

Glenn Allison was the first ever to bowl three consecutive 300 games in 1982 at La Habra 300 Bowl in La Habra, Ca. But, it was never sanctioned because of the oil pattern that night. It's been done several times since he did it though. Bowling a 300 game doesn't even compare to running 11 straight racks of 9 ball. A 180 avg. bowler can shoot 300. Can a "B" player run 11 racks? Um........I don't think so. Peace, John.

Agreed. This is a ridiculous comparison. I don't bowl, so I don't "hang out" in bowling circles, and don't normally "talk" bowling, but I personally know many people who have bowled 300 games (some multiple times).

Personally, I find the game boring. It's too repetitive. In fact, this is why bowling 300 is far easier than running 11 racks. Everything about bowling is repetition. All you have to do is have your "stroke" down 12 times in a row and bang, 300.

I might have bowled 10 or 12 games in my life, have no clue how to "hook" the ball, no consistancy in my "approach," and I've thrown 4 strikes in a row. Every one of them probably hit in a different spot, but all 10 fell and I was 1/3 of the way to a 300. And I am horrible. I certainly don't think tripling that accomplishment is all that amazing for someone who bowls on any consistant level.

Go into an alley on a league night and ask everyone if they've had a perfect game. Any random bowling alley of your choice. In that one alley on that one night, I'll bet you have 4 times the number of 300 bowlers than you could find 11 game runners if you took everyone on this entire board and polled them asking if they even knew of someone who had accomplished the feat.

 

[sjm]

Are there any compiled and accurate stats that we maybe able to use to figure the odds? We could create a formula to calculate a reasonable prediction.

Well, Jason, the answer is no. Still, I've discussed the subject with Pat Fleming, and Pat told me that a top pro in good form can be expected to break and run (inclusive of nine on the break and combos/caroms on the nine) about 30% of the time. When it comes to bowling, based on years of watching TV bowling, I'd guess that a strike is a about a 50/50 proposition for the top pros. I quickly concede that each of these figures is arguable, but for the sake of checking the math, let's say they are right. The math is shown below, and suggests that the eleven pack in nineball is comparable in difficulty to throwing nineteen strikes in a row, each about half a million to one.

 

[pete lafond]

Ok, i was a little disturbed by a comment someone said about bowling a 300 being easier than running 11racks in a row.
Dave

Talk about a comparison to golf. Bowling?? Proven that bowling is the easiest game that exists. That is why so many played it for so long. Bowling is no comparison to billiards. I only bowled 2 time so far in my life. Never a lesson and never a practice. Averaged about 140 for NEVER doing it before. To easy and to boring. Sorry. no camparisons to bowling please. When someone posted the comparison, they did so demonstrate it was to easy. 40 years ago they did a study about different games. Took college kids from around the country that never bowled before. They actually had 2 300 games from these kids. Yes there were a lot of kids that participated.

 

[SplicedPoints]

That math looks pretty close to what I would think is the reality.
I don't bowl myself, and I probably have a sub 100 average in bowling, and I have thrown 3 straight strikes before. Many of my equally or slightly more skilled friends in bowling has thrown 3 or 4 straight strikes. If chums like us who don't really bowl can throw 3 or 4 straight strikes, I don't think it would be that difficult for someone who's dedicated to bowling to throw a 300. Think about it. Throwing a strike is all about repetition. If you get the right spin and hit the right spot, you'll get the strike. Someone only needs to repeat that for 11 times to have a 300. 11 repetitions can't be that hard.

Compare that to running 11 racks. First you need to be extremely lucky to have a decent shot at the right ball 11 times in a row. Then you'll have to be extremely skilled, or extremely lucky not to have a situation on the table that kills the run out chance. Then you'll have to be skilled in pocketing the easy and hard shots, my wild guess, around 80 times in a row. (assuming some balls go down on the break). Then you'll have to be very skilled to play the right position for almost 80 times in a row. Pocketing a ball i think is easier than throwing a strike. But if you consider the fact that the shooter has to make the shots and play for position 80+ times straight, running 11 racks would be more difficult.

 

[StormHotRod300]

I SWEAR IT NEVER SEEMS TO FAIL HOW STUPID AND SIMPLE MINDED YOU PEOPLE ARE!!!!!!!!


If you think bowling is so easy, and you say well i have gotten 3 or 4 strikes in a row and thats 1/3 / 1/4 of the the 300game, then why wasnt you able to get the rest of the strikes.

And people dont realize that you can throw the ball the same 12times, and not get a 300. Just because someone hits the Pocket in a rack of Pins doesnt mean they will just strike all the time.

Another thing, I was talking about PRO BOWLERS too, not just your league hacks who bowl on a easy shot.

I can probably say that 80% of you people have never watch the PBA Tour on TV, so you have no clue how tough it is. But they are showing the PBA World Championship on April 3 @ 1pm on ESPN, so if you want a clue on how tough it is, watch the show.

And to SplicedPoints you are a IDIOT, if you think all you need is to repeat your shot 12 times ( not 11) for a 300game then your wrong. You need alot of luck, because your lucky to get a strike, you might leave a 10pin, or a 9pin, or the 8pin, or a 4pin. or a pocket 7-10, or a pocket 4-9.

And yes every now n then a 180avg bowler will shoot a 300game, it happens, i have seen it happen, i even seen a guy with a 160avg shoot 300. For them it may only happen once in a lifetime, because they do not strike nearly as often.

And like Hoboken said, there are lots of top golfers who shoot under 70 for a round. But its only because they are playing golf all the time.

Even the pros in golf shoot under 70 ALOT, does it mean its easy, NO. Its because they do this for a job. Now there are probably alot of league golfers and rec golfers who have probably shot under 70 or close to 70 for a round.

Do you see them running out to get onto the PGA TOUR? no, because the courses on the PGA Tour are alot harder than most regular courses, unless your talking about Beth Paige Black.

Now i love shooting pool, and i like bowling, i have done golf too. And all THREE are Equally as hard in thier own aspects.

Do u think hitting a golf ball straight for 300yds is easy, lol

How about running a rack of balls in pool ?

What about throwing a Strike?

I will say if the Pro Billiards went back to the old ways where guys were able to run racks and slap down a 6pack on someone, you might see 11racks run more often.

If they also had the extra prize for running 11racks still around people would probably gun for it more often too.

 

[AceHigh]

First of all, I agree with everyone who says running 11 racks would be tougher. Bowling is extremely repetetive and getting a 300 can be done much easier than running 11 racks.

Now, let's spice things up a little bit. What if the pool player had ball-in-hand after every break? Which would be harder then?