5/16x18 joint with wooden thread

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Hello dear makers, just wondering if it is possible to make a shaft of 5/16x18 joint with wooden thread instead of a brass insert.

Thank you.
 
Hello dear makers, just wondering if it is possible to make a shaft of 5/16x18 joint with wooden thread instead of a brass insert.

Thank you.

Yes, but it will be tough to hold up with that fine of a thread.
 
Not enough thread depth, to make that work. It might work if you thread a pice of ebony, purpleheart or other similar hard wood.
I have seen 5/16-18 inserts made from bakelite, but that was quite sloppy compared to a brass insert.
 
Hello dear makers, just wondering if it is possible to make a shaft of 5/16x18 joint with wooden thread instead of a brass insert.

Thank you.


As noted you could. But, it will not hold up. Use phenolic. It works very well.
 
Mr. Webb is correct in that pheno "works very well" in certain applications (not 'great').
If you're going to quote, use the words that were actually said.
My opinion is: not all applications. Small pins don't fare well in pheno.
A certain L/D shaft maker is currently using a small pin pheno insert.
I don't like the fit and have a sense that eventually it will cause problems.
Comparing the strength and precision of cut-threads btwn metal and phenolic should be a no-brainer.
Pheno has a much deserved place as an insert when coupled with big pins.
There is no benefit/advantage to using pheno over brass with a small pin yet the risks are much greater.
If this was a cost-saving decision, it was a bad one.
 
I've had a couple Ginacues with 5/16-18 with piloted phenolic inserts that never developed any issues


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try this

drill the hole, soak with super glue, wait about 3 days, cut the threads, soak with super glue, wait about 3 days, soak with super glue. wax the tap cut the threads again.
 
Mr. Webb is correct in that pheno "works very well" in certain applications (not 'great').
If you're going to quote, use the words that were actually said.
My opinion is: not all applications. Small pins don't fare well in pheno.
A certain L/D shaft maker is currently using a small pin pheno insert.
I don't like the fit and have a sense that eventually it will cause problems.
Comparing the strength and precision of cut-threads btwn metal and phenolic should be a no-brainer.
Pheno has a much deserved place as an insert when coupled with big pins.
There is no benefit/advantage to using pheno over brass with a small pin yet the risks are much greater.
If this was a cost-saving decision, it was a bad one.

How about nylon by Huebler?
 
They are sloppy Dale, and there are much better ways. A nylon insert or phenolic are great choices from not using the brass inserts. I chose early on in my style of cues not to use the brass for the simple reason I wanted tighter joining of my cues. I felt if the pin can wiggle inside the brass insert, it will move at all time, and the only true alignment on them was the facing of the joint itself. Seen to many come apart during play to earn my want to use them.

You need to Google "class of fit"

When exactly did you ever see a cue with a brass insert come apart during play?

You have made several other incorrect assumptions.

If you know how to properly machine the joint there, will be no problems with centering or alignment.

Hall of Fame cuemakers have been producing precisely centered, perfectly aligned,
cue joints, that don't come apart under use, for many decades. This is not a wheel that needs reinventing.

Dale
 
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Please don't lump nylon in with phenolic, please, don't do it.
Nylon is the worse insert mtrl. ever conceived.
If you believe nylon is an improvement over brass as an insert mtrl.,
then it's only you and Huebler. The rest of the world knows better.
I've asked it before and I'll now ask you directly; why does no one else use it ?

"I chose early on in my style of cues not to use the brass for the simple reason I wanted tighter joining of my cues."

You do realize that nylon is much softer than brass and therefore compresses more readily. Where's your tighter fit ?

Dale is correct Mr. Lee. You make a lot of assumptions.
 
Please don't lump nylon in with phenolic, please, don't do it.
Nylon is the worse insert mtrl. ever conceived.
If you believe nylon is an improvement over brass as an insert mtrl.,
then it's only you and Huebler. The rest of the world knows better.
I've asked it before and I'll now ask you directly; why does no one else use it ?

"I chose early on in my style of cues not to use the brass for the simple reason I wanted tighter joining of my cues."

You do realize that nylon is much softer than brass and therefore compresses more readily. Where's your tighter fit ?

Dale is correct Mr. Lee. You make a lot of assumptions.

Not a cue maker here. But I am interested. The market value of Mr Huebler's cues seems pretty strong....and getting stronger. Yet his cues are all built around that joint.

I would like to know more. Can you please expand on this? And don't be afraid to be technical. I can handle it. :smile:



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