526 and John Schmidt
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Rich93 said:
Do you go up to every person that you're not impressed with and tell them so to their face? This is a forum, where opinions are exchanged. I honestly saw about 5 or 6 players that impressed me more than Schmidt. I'm not saying he's not a world class 14.1 player but he just didn't seem up to the hype.
Diamond Billiards or Brunswick.
Your post and the post of others says a lot about someone else breaking 525. There will be condemnations for this and for that until their record breaking run is eclipsed by the nit picking. It will be a thankless task unless Brunswick or Diamond Billiards sends another Mosconi type guy on the road nationally, for a long time, competing everywhere there is a table and happens to catch lightning in a jug somewhere somehow.
It's a pretty big nickel to send a player across the country playing hundreds of matches a year and I'm not sure if either of the two companies are up to it. Anything less, will be picked apart until there is little left. No one wants to see the record broke except a few of us. Brunswick certainly doesn't want to see it broke.
I'd like to see Diamond Billiards and maybe OB Cues send one of the willing players on the road for a year or two to see if the record could be broken. I would attend any exhibition within a couple of hours drive and maybe more on a weekend.
JoeyA
td873 said:
Your post and the post of others says a lot about someone else breaking 525. There will be condemnations for this and for that until their record breaking run is eclipsed by the nit picking. It will be a thankless task unless Brunswick or Diamond Billiards sends another Mosconi type guy on the road nationally, for a long time, competing everywhere there is a table and happens to catch lightning in a jug somewhere somehow.
It's a pretty big nickel to send a player across the country playing hundreds of matches a year and I'm not sure if either of the two companies are up to it. Anything less, will be picked apart until there is little left. No one wants to see the record broke except a few of us. Brunswick certainly doesn't want to see it broke.
I'd like to see Diamond Billiards and maybe OB Cues send one of the willing players on the road for a year or two to see if the record could be broken. I would attend any exhibition within a couple of hours drive and maybe more on a weekend.
JoeyA
I would be willing to say that if 200,000 dollars could be raised to award the person who could record a run that surpasses Mosconi, it would fall in less than a year after the offer. The thing is getting the money guaranteed. A true pro like Schmidt or Engert doesn't need a shitbird like KT not delivering the cash.
mnorwood said:
Now that I can agree with. make it a million dollars and you'd have top players doing nothing but practice 14.1
I think it's no coincidence that the level of play in snooker went way up went the money went way up. The same could happen in pool.
Mr441 said:
My point is, as we well know from his contributions this past week, that John reads these threads and takes them personally. Too personally, as he had admitted. Knowing that a person is reading my words about him, I would hesitate to say anything in print I wouldn't be willing to say to his face.
But maybe you are unaware of what transpired earlier this week in the Mosconi-Schmidt thread.
Rather than discussing Mosconi's 526 on a 4 x 8 table with loose pockets, I'm wondering what his witnessed high run was on a regulation table? I wonder if he ever had a witnessed run of 400 on a 4-1/2 x 9 table with reasonably tough pockets?
Doc
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mnorwood said:
Under comparable playing conditions to what Mosconi had when he ran 526, I think the record would fall more than once. I think there are a handful of players around today who could, given enough time, run more than 526 under those conditions and with that financial incentive.
Like others have mentioned though, I don't think breaking the recognized high-run record is what makes someone the greatest straight-pool player. Maris had the record of 61 for a long time, but no one considered him the greatest home-run hitter of all time.
I have a question. Suppose someone like Hohmann, Engert, or Schmidt set up a video camera to record their runs on a home 4x8 table, and ran more than 526 on camera. How many of you would consider that the new record?
Just wanted to point this out.
I dont think anyone offered Mosconi 200k to run 526, why should anyone else get that motivation.
Break the record because you're good enough to do it, otherwise talk about something else.
I dont think anyone offered Mosconi 200k to run 526, why should anyone else get that motivation.
Break the record because you're good enough to do it, otherwise talk about something else.
Richardson said:
He did get paid by Brunswick. I am sure that they had performance incentives for this type of thing. Not 200k, I am sure, but he did get paid to travel and play matches and exhibitions. Virtually nobody has those opportunities today. Especially not 14.1 players.
Richardson said:
didnt he get paid by the guiness book of world records also for this?
muttley76 said:
Eufemia's 600+ ball run in 1961 was not recognized in the record books due to the lack of an eyewitness that saw the run from beginning to end. Similarly, there were no witnesses for either of Art "Babe" Cranfield's two 700+ runs, both achieved in practice. Who knows whether the "witness present" requirement would apply in the case of a videotaped run? We're in new territory here.
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Richardson said:
That's a good point, in fact Mosconi wasn't trying to set a record, he was just encouraged by the spectators to keep running balls. If Mosconi was offered a large sum to beat his own record I have no doubt he'd beat it. I think it's well known that Mosconi had an immense drive to win, he really hated to lose. If every top player was purposely gunning for that record and prize I think Mosconi would make damn sure nobody beat him out of it.
Mr441 said:
John did say that he was not at his best in that tournament but he did manage to finish 5 thru 8. I don't think its wise to rate his whole game on one tournament. I have seen Tiger shoot 80 a few times.
He did mention that if you wanted to back Mr. Hohmann or any other player with a 250 ball head start to a 1000 he will put down the dirt bike and give it a try.
Bobby said:
This is what i was trying to say.
Marop said:
John won't have to put up his dirt bike for that match. He won't have trouble finding backers! (Nothing against Thorsten as he is a class act.)
BTW, who knew the guy could play one pocket? I like the thread he started a few months ago challenging one pocket champions with any type of spot. I guess the cat is out of the bag now! Nice work...John!
Bandanna Joe said:
He would never beat Scott in anything besides a race to 3 type format. Play Scott 7-10 ahead and see who wins that game.
And im pretty sure Scott wouldnt ask for a spot :thumbup: