526 consecutive balls

Cornerman said:
You included *my* post in the "ah, no" response??? Other posters have quoted exactly what Shamos (and Willie) reported. How can anyone dispute that he didn't just go for a high run "once" as you said.

You said:
"By all accounts, he just stopped cold when he got to 100 except for that one night when the crowd urged him on and he ran the 526."

I think the response to me should have been, "oh, yeah. You're right. My bad."
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I looked at some posts via my “alerts” and somehow they got quoted.

I actually didn’t think yours was worth responding to because you only cited two additional examples to the 526. And you cite no circumstances. Exhibition? Tournament block? What? And of course occasionally he’d run balls. Even I cited what happen before his match with Fats with Ursitti racking. And there are his other runs such as on the 5x10.

Truth be told I was just responding to the post about Balukus. “My bad” in response to your post, ah no.

BTW, how’s it going with those photos you said you’d find?

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Arnaldo, yes, I remember reading or maybe it was from "Staying Hungry" about AS's level of confidence and how he'd sometimes mock an opponent with some comment about their skinny legs or other muscle group to freak them out.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou, for your or anyone's amused interest, the deadliest weapon Arnold used against many of the leading, potential on-stage posing rivals from other areas of our country, and many hopefuls from abroad, was an outrageously strategic/calculated practice that made us Gold's Gym regulars chuckle every time we watched and heard it unfolding.

These huge, steroid-fabricated, very advanced behemoths of any age were thoroughly besotted (actually rightfully) with Arnold as a well-publicized role model, and would innocently ask him for any tips he could share prior to the upcoming contest. Only in his mid-twenties himself at the time, he'd individually pull them aside and give them -- in heavily-accented English -- exactly the wrong, opportunity-destroying advice (or "advices" as he called them).

One of his most frequent and notable "advices" was to whisper to them, so-confidentially: "Be sure to load up on carbohydrates a day before your posing routine on-stage . . . most guys keep dieting and are afraid to do that and that's why they shake nervously and don't have plenty of energy for the [extremely demanding] posing. " The victims unfailingly thanked their new "buddy" Arnold for this counter-intuitive "gem" of inside information.

The result was dextrose-induced water retention that near-completely smooth-out their hard-wrought "ripped" (well-defined) muscular appearance -- which was a key win-or-lose factor on the contest judges' scorecard. After the typical stressful months of rigid protein-centric dieting, Arnold's trusting bodybuilding acolytes heartily welcomed, and willing followed the master's generous advice.

As with Willie -- well chosen words at the right time, in key interviews or complying with requests for *specific* advice.

Arnaldo ~ Never heard of a top-level pool player doing similar (intentional bad info) to a competitor -- but it surely must happen with would-be gambling adversaries.
 
arnaldo said:
Lou, for your or anyone's amused interest, the deadliest weapon Arnold used against many of the leading, potential on-stage posing rivals from other areas of our country, and many hopefuls from abroad, was an outrageously strategic/calculated practice that made us Gold's Gym regulars chuckle every time we watched and heard it unfolding.

These huge, steroid-fabricated, very advanced behemoths of any age were thoroughly besotted (actually rightfully) with Arnold as a well-publicized role model, and would innocently ask him for any tips he could share prior to the upcoming contest. Only in his mid-twenties himself at the time, he'd individually pull them aside and give them -- in heavily-accented English -- exactly the wrong, opportunity-destroying advice (or "advices" as he called them).

One of his most frequent and notable "advices" was to whisper to them, so-confidentially: "Be sure to load up on carbohydrates a day before your posing routine on-stage . . . most guys keep dieting and are afraid to do that and that's why they shake nervously and don't have plenty of energy for the [extremely demanding] posing. " The victims unfailingly thanked their new "buddy" Arnold for this counter-intuitive "gem" of inside information.

The result was dextrose-induced water retention that near-completely smooth-out their hard-wrought "ripped" (well-defined) muscular appearance -- which was a key win-or-lose factor on the contest judges' scorecard. After the typical stressful months of rigid protein-centric dieting, Arnold's trusting bodybuilding acolytes heartily welcomed, and willing followed the master's generous advice.

As with Willie -- well chosen words at the right time, in key interviews or complying with requests for *specific* advice.

Arnaldo ~ Never heard of a top-level pool player doing similar (intentional bad info) to a competitor -- but it surely must happen with would-be gambling adversaries.
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On a funny related note in 1952 Helsinki summer Olympics. The legendary Czech distance runner Emil Zatopek decided to enter the marathon (his first ever) after winning gold in both the 5k and 10k meters.

After the start of the race WR holder Jim Peters took off on a fast pace, Zatopek catches up to him and being a marathon novice asked Peters if the pace was too fast.

Peters lied to him saying the pace was too slow. hoping to slip him up, knowing he himself had gone out too fast. Zatopek nodded in affirmation and took off. Peters nor the rest saw Emil again and he went on to win gold in that marathon in 2:23 min and set an Olympic record. 2nd place was over 2 minutes behind him. Peters didn’t make it to the finish.

Zatopek is still the greatest Olympian for more reasons than medal count.


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greyghost said:
On a funny related note in 1952 Helsinki summer Olympics. The legendary Czech distance runner Emil Zatopek decided to enter the marathon (his first ever) after winning gold in both the 5k and 10k meters.

After the start of the race WR holder Jim Peters took off on a fast pace, Zatopek catches up to him and being a marathon novice asked Peters if the pace was too fast.

Peters lied to him saying the pace was too slow. hoping to slip him up, knowing he himself had gone out too fast. Zatopek nodded in affirmation and took off. Peters nor the rest saw Emil again and he went on to win gold in that marathon in 2:23 min and set an Olympic record. 2nd place was over 2 minutes behind him. Peters didn’t make it to the finish.

Zatopek is still the greatest Olympian for more reasons than medal count.


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Hell, i thought 'Zatopek' was some kind of heartburn medication. ;)
 
fastone371 said:
If I had the option of an 8' table with 5 1/4" pockets or a 9' table with 4 1/2" pockets I'm taking the small table with buckets any day to try and set a high run.
I don't think anyone will top Mosconi's exact record simply because those tables don't really exist anymore.
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Go to Texas or any slick willies and you can find plenty of them.
 
And just to throw some gas on this discussion I have it on good authority that Mike Eufemia developed and used an aiming system similar to some modern ones that are constantly "debated" on this forum. And that he wrote about it in detail. I am not yet at liberty to discuss who has this manuscript but I don't doubt the existence one bit.

If anyone else who knew him knows what I am talking about feel free to chime in if you want to. I only say this because I have noticed that there are a few posters here who seem to have been friends or aquainted with Mike.

For me this is particularly interesting as my friend has stated that Mike described it as automatic aiming.

Someday I hope to see what Mike wrote.
 
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JB Cases said:
. . . . my friend has stated that Mike described it as automatic aiming. .
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Not to trivialize, but all the systems are automatic when you've successfully found and repeatedly employ one that does the job for you. I'm guessing that either Bob Jewett, Dr. Dave or Mike Shamos have heard of Euphemia's rumored one.

Very possibly this particular AZB member (Frankheimer) will have a quite contributory opinion on the matter of Mike's system, having watched it for hours very up close with a 14.1-seasoned eye:

https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/from-mike-eufemia-to-danny-harriman.266063/

Arnaldo
 
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JB Cases said:
And just to throw some gas on this discussion I have it on good authority that Mike Eufemia developed and used an aiming system similar to some modern ones that are constantly "debated" on this forum. And that he wrote about it in detail. I am not yet at liberty to discuss who has this manuscript but I don't don't the existence one bit.

If anyone else who knew him knows what I am talking about feel free to chime in if you want to. I only day this because I have noticed that there are a few posters here who seem to have been friends or aquainted with Mike.

For me this is particularly interesting as my friend has stated that Mike described it as automatic aiming.

Someday I hope to see what Mike wrote.
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OMG!!! It must have been CTE, lol.

Lou Figueroa
total flyer
 
lfigueroa said:
OMG!!! It must have been CTE, lol.

Lou Figueroa
total flyer
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Maybe something that was similar. Anyway, the story is that he used an aiming system that he wrote about. I know more than I can tell right now but the day will come soon I hope that we can see what Mike used as his aiming system.
 
arnaldo said:
Not to trivialize, but all the systems are automatic when you've successfully found and repeatedly employ one that does the job for you. I'm guessing that either Bob Jewett, Dr. Dave or Mike Shamos have heard of Euphemia's rumored one.

Very possibly this particular AZB member (Frankheimer) will have a quite contributory opinion on the matter of Mike's system, having watched it for hours very up close with a 14.1-seasoned eye:

https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/from-mike-eufemia-to-danny-harriman.266063/

Arnaldo
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Understood. Just found it fascinating that this bit of trivia was told to me a few weeks ago and that Mike reportedly called it Automatic Aiming implying that it was something worth naming.

Also, I slightly disagree about all aiming systems being automatic. Some require some simple math and if a person is like me then even the simple math doesn't always come automatically.
 
JB Cases said:
Go to Texas or any slick willies and you can find plenty of them.
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I aint driving 1500 miles to look for an 8' table with buckets
The whole point is that that may be a common table in some small pockets of the country but I doubt they are the mainstay any longer. I have never seen a youtube tourney on one
 
fastone371 said:
I aint driving 1500 miles to look for an 8' table with buckets
The whole point is that that may be a common table in some small pockets of the country but I doubt they are the mainstay any longer. I have never seen a youtube tourney on one
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You are correct that they are extremely uncommon in the majority of pool rooms.
 
fastone371 said:
I aint driving 1500 miles to look for an 8' table with buckets
The whole point is that that may be a common table in some small pockets of the country but I doubt they are the mainstay any longer. I have never seen a youtube tourney on one
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They're not mainstays anywhere. They are however, in abundance in fraternal and social organizations in your home state within a short driving distance of Theresa, WI.

Regional installers, continually installing, re-felting, and customizing tables within any given state know where just about every table in their region is located within homes, commercial rooms, and the above-referenced clubs and lodges, and for your purposes, the exact nature of those tables. Your regional guy can direct you to plenty of them.

And any of those orgs gladly welcome folks interested in joining, and are always glad to show you what pool tables they have and letting you hit a few balls. The annual dues almost always amount to less than a buck or two a week. Hard to believe what a good deal that is. (If you happen to be a veteran, induction is virtually instant in any of the orgs.) But veteran or not, it's an easy process.

Acquiring new members is fundamental to their economic viability. Used to be you had to know a member who can sponsor you for induction, but it's almost universal now for the person showing you around the club or lodge to become your sponsor after a five-minute interview and some paperwork. Then they check out your details and induct you shortly thereafter.

These are good commonsenical tips gleaned from years of personal, very gratifying experience that may help quite a few players, and are well worth following up on.

Arnaldo
 
arnaldo said:
They're not mainstays anywhere. They are however, in abundance in fraternal and social organizations in your home state within a short driving distance of Theresa, WI.

Regional installers, continually installing, re-felting, and customizing tables within any given state know where just about every table in their region is located within homes, commercial rooms, and the above-referenced clubs and lodges, and for your purposes, the exact nature of those tables. Your regional guy can direct you to plenty of them.

And any of those orgs gladly welcome folks interested in joining, and are always glad to show you what pool tables they have and letting you hit a few balls. The annual dues almost always amount to less than a buck or two a week. Hard to believe what a good deal that is. (If you happen to be a veteran, induction is virtually instant in any of the orgs.) But veteran or not, it's an easy process.

Acquiring new members is fundamental to their economic viability. Used to be you had to know a member who can sponsor you for induction, but it's almost universal now for the person showing you around the club or lodge to become your sponsor after a five-minute interview and some paperwork. Then they check out your details and induct you shortly thereafter.

These are good commonsenical tips gleaned from years of personal, very gratifying experience that may help quite a few players, and are well worth following up on.

Arnaldo
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I would certainly like to know where because I looked pretty hard for community and senior centers in our area and they dont really exist. Some community centers around here that you see on the interweb and they are churches that do not have pool tables. I have been to many local churches and have never seen a pool table, lots of bingo halls but no pool tables. We have Elks lodges and VFW Posts but if they have a table the overwhelming odds are going to be it has a Valley. I did find one social club that has 2 7' Diamonds but Diamonds are abundant in bars up here. So its not like I have not looked. Feel free to point me towards one of these clubs with something other than a Valley and I will most definitely check it out.
 
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fastone371 said:
I would certainly like to know where because I looked pretty hard for community and senior centers in our area and they dont really exist. Some community centers around here that you see on the interweb and they are churches that do not have pool tables. I have been to many local churches and have never seen a pool table, lots of bingo halls but no pool tables. We have Elks lodges and VFW Posts but if they have a table the overwhelming odds are going to be it has a Valley. I did find one social club that has 2 7' Diamonds but Diamonds are abundant in bars up here. So its not like I have not looked. Feel free to point me towards one of these clubs with something other than a Valley and I will most definitely check it out.
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Call this man (and leave call-back # if he's not available to talk at the moment):

Kurt Trampel
Pro Billiard Company
Hales Corners, WI
(414) 525-4144

He's a top man who knows the region well. And for your purpose: he knows about virtually every pool table that exists in clubs, commercial rooms, and home rec rooms for miles around Theresa -- everywhere south of Fond du Lac and north of Milwaukee.

He's installed, repaired, and customized thousands of pool tables in that region (and far beyond) for many, many years.

Arnaldo
 
Some people haven't noticed, but this forum is not Facebook it Twitter. We are here to discuss what commonly interests us about billiards. There really is no need for this back and forth banter like preteen siblings. Thank you.
 
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