626 run pocket size

And believe it or not all I asked was what were the pocket sizes. Could have answered in one sentence, one post
 
I actually took a couple pictures of the table and a close up of the pocket with 2 balls included. I will post them when I get home.
 
And believe it or not all I asked was what were the pocket sizes. Could have answered in one sentence, one post

Stop yer cryin. You had an answer in under 3 replies. Might be some kinda record, actually. :shrug:

Youre the one keep-coming back for more.
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How does working at a grocery store matter with regards to impartiality?

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it reduces the probability that he was an impartial observer.

He has a real job,
He is local and could be a patron (rumor has it that he is)

So the odds are lower that he was a paid observer. In my opinion anyways.

Unfortunately, the non-binding paperwork does not reference anyone as an observer.
 
And believe it or not all I asked was what were the pocket sizes. Could have answered in one sentence, one post

STANDARD GAUGE....4 ft 8,5 in

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Bottom line there is no affidavit.

When Mosconi ran 526, it was after the game was over and he merely kept the run going. The attendees were mostly just pool fans that wanted to see Mosconi play. It turned out to be a piece of history that they viewed. The people on hand signed an affidavit that Mosconi ran 526 balls.
John Schmidt has been trying to beat this record for a long time. He did this on his home table for a long time. The only witness being his video recorder and probably his wife. I think he started getting criticized about how it would look beating the record on a table he played on every day and with no witnesses. So, this last year he decided to make his game more public and go to pool halls where many people could be witnesses. Plus, he had a camera running for each attempt. It took many tries and it wasn't at the first pool hall he attempted it. John was invited to Easy Street Billiards in Monterey CA this past May. Once again he had a camera set up and witnesses were anybody who was present at the time, similar to how Mosconi set the 526 record. This is a very public place, not a closed club which requires a membership to get in. It was also on a table with standard cut pockets, not pro cut like some of the newer tables. This record will probably stand for quite a long time. The game of 14.1 is not the game of choice these days and there are very few, if any, major tournaments in the USA any longer.
My only regret is that my vacation plans put me in Monterey 2 days after John broke the record. If I were two days earlier, you would see my name on that affidavit. But that wouldn't mean anything, I'm just a nobody. As it stands, I got to talk to John and his wife for a little while and that's good enough for me. There were enough witnesses on hand to make this a legit record. Plus, it's on video. What more can we ask for?
Of course there are always those that don't believe we landed on the moon in 1969 either. Some think the world is flat. The doubting Thomas' of the world will always be out there. If they don't see it for themselves, it just didn't happen.
Little food for thought. Is Mosconi's 526 on video? They had video then....just sayin. How can we say for sure it happened? It happened because we have people's signatures on an affidavit that says so. Right? Ok, this last part I'm just messin with ya....but makes ya think.

well, the funny part first, to your ending.. I'm going with the foreign country disrupting billiards development in the U.S. by trolling this forum and others I'm sure. Guessing from all the Russian chalk sig's I'm guessing it's the Russians but the Chinese might just be in on it too... Russian chalk sucks. I have some and that's my opinion of it. I also just want to say "Stop listening to the Russians"

OK, the affidavit. There is no affidavit.
Please look at the Mosconi affidavit at the Smithsonian.
https://edan.si.edu/slideshow/slideshowViewer.htm?eadrefid=NMAH.AC.0744_ref37

You will see there is a paragraph on the front with all the sigs, this is the certification, and on the back, there is another paragraph that makes it a legal document called an affidavit. The statement part is embossed and signed by a notary. This makes it an affidavit.

For all you rocket scientists out there, take a look at https://www.rocketlawyer.com/article/affidavit-definition.rl

The letter from John is nothing more than that. A letter saying "I did it". It is not legally binding in any way. The people that signed it did not take an oath, swear, have any liability, etc. If I expand the name-calling like the folks around here talk about troll's then I would call it spam.

Bottom line there is no affidavit.
 
I notice you didn't refute a word that I wrote. "Get a membership" is only deflection. The only troll here is you. You have no actual argument so you think your "gold membership" gives you some kind of clout?

P.s. I have a membership or else I couldn't be posting this.

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You can support this community that you are posting in by paying a few bucks a month. Last I saw there was only one plan.

You are a Bronze and I consider your posting style and skills poor. Free accounts don't get much from me anymore. Too many trolls at that level. Your level.

Are you the grocery store guy?
 
You can support this community that you are posting in by paying a few bucks a month. Last I saw there was only one plan.



You are a Bronze and I consider your posting style and skills poor. Free accounts don't get much from me anymore. Too many trolls at that level. Your level.



Are you the grocery store guy?
It seems there are plenty of trolls at your level as well.

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When Mosconi ran 526, it was after the game was over and he merely kept the run going. The attendees were mostly just pool fans that wanted to see Mosconi play. It turned out to be a piece of history that they viewed. The people on hand signed an affidavit that Mosconi ran 526 balls.
John Schmidt has been trying to beat this record for a long time. He did this on his home table for a long time. The only witness being his video recorder and probably his wife. I think he started getting criticized about how it would look beating the record on a table he played on every day and with no witnesses. So, this last year he decided to make his game more public and go to pool halls where many people could be witnesses. Plus, he had a camera running for each attempt. It took many tries and it wasn't at the first pool hall he attempted it. John was invited to Easy Street Billiards in Monterey CA this past May. Once again he had a camera set up and witnesses were anybody who was present at the time, similar to how Mosconi set the 526 record. This is a very public place, not a closed club which requires a membership to get in. It was also on a table with standard cut pockets, not pro cut like some of the newer tables. This record will probably stand for quite a long time. The game of 14.1 is not the game of choice these days and there are very few, if any, major tournaments in the USA any longer.
My only regret is that my vacation plans put me in Monterey 2 days after John broke the record. If I were two days earlier, you would see my name on that affidavit. But that wouldn't mean anything, I'm just a nobody. As it stands, I got to talk to John and his wife for a little while and that's good enough for me. There were enough witnesses on hand to make this a legit record. Plus, it's on video. What more can we ask for?
Of course there are always those that don't believe we landed on the moon in 1969 either. Some think the world is flat. The doubting Thomas' of the world will always be out there. If they don't see it for themselves, it just didn't happen.
Little food for thought. Is Mosconi's 526 on video? They had video then....just sayin. How can we say for sure it happened? It happened because we have people's signatures on an affidavit that says so. Right? Ok, this last part I'm just messin with ya....but makes ya think.


There is very little that's similar between how Mosconi accomplished his run and how JS did it.

Just for starters, Mosconi did it on a table strange to him, on the spur of the moment. Mosconi didn't set up a special table and he didn't go at it for months on end. Nor, as has been reported: did he use a Sardo rack to get an absolutely perfect rack every single time, or rack them at the wrong end of the table to improve the spread of his break shots. And it remains to be known how many times JS was polishing the balls during the course of his run.

One last thing: yes, they had video back then, lol. But video technology was in it's infancy in the 1950's. We take for granted that we all carry around a video camera in our pockets. No so back in Willie's time. Here's what a piece of video recording equipment looked like in the mid-50's.

Lou Figueroa
 

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There is very little that's similar between how Mosconi accomplished his run and how JS did it.
One last thing: yes, they had video back then, lol. But video technology was in it's infancy in the 1950's. We take for granted that we all carry around a video camera in our pockets. No so back in Willie's time. Here's what a piece of video recording equipment looked like in the mid-50's.
Lou Figueroa
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There were literally THOUSANDS of 'video' movie recorders around then.
They were called '8MM movie cameras' and looked like this.
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There is very little that's similar between how Mosconi accomplished his run and how JS did it.

Just for starters, Mosconi did it on a table strange to him, on the spur of the moment. Mosconi didn't set up a special table and he didn't go at it for months on end. Nor, as has been reported: did he use a Sardo rack to get an absolutely perfect rack every single time, or rack them at the wrong end of the table to improve the spread of his break shots. And it remains to be known how many times JS was polishing the balls during the course of his run.

One last thing: yes, they had video back then, lol. But video technology was in it's infancy in the 1950's. We take for granted that we all carry around a video camera in our pockets. No so back in Willie's time. Here's what a piece of video recording equipment looked like in the mid-50's.

Lou Figueroa

Sorry Lou, bogus argument here. Mosconi always played on Brunswick tables, mostly Gold Crowns. The different/strange table argument just doesn't hold water. He brought his own balls and racked for himself on each successive rack, so he got the balls just the way he wanted them. He had a towel and would clean the balls as necessary. I watched him do all this a dozen times or more.

IMO they both played 14.1 on a similarly difficult table and encountered the same kind of obstacles in running their racks. It was a tremendous accomplishment by both men and it just so happens that John Schmidt ran 100 more balls than Willie Mosconi. I too think Willie was one of the two of three best players of all time, but the fact remains John broke his high run record, plain and simple. You can twist it any way you want but it changes nothing!
 
The fact remains, plain and simple. You can twist it any way you want but it changes nothing! Just another biased opinion to add to the other eight signers and the two BCA reps. DVD players will play forward and reverse frame-by-frame, So bring on the video, show the undeniable proof and there will be no further questions.

Let he who is without bias cast the first stone. ;)
 
The fact remains, plain and simple. You can twist it any way you want but it changes nothing! Just another biased opinion to add to the other eight signers and the two BCA reps. DVD players will play forward and reverse frame-by-frame, So bring on the video, show the undeniable proof and there will be no further questions.

nothing personal

This concept that we can use a DVD player to look through a video went out the door idk, 20 years ago. This day and age the video file can be processed and all the edit points automatically located. Some programs call them scene changes as well.

Gunisses would want multiple cameras so they can more easily verify that there are no edits or effects. It's on their website anyways..

BTW folks. a 9-foot table is not the same as a 8-foot table. That is a fact. it's also a fact that (2+2 -ne 5)

For those that may not be aware.
"Anyone found guilty of intentionally making a false affidavit has lied under oath and is guilty of perjury. The penalty for perjury can include up to five years in jail and/or a serious fine. ... Lying in an affidavit is the same as lying in court testimony, and it constitutes a crime called perjury"
Reference
https://legalbeagle.com/7642670-penalty-false-affidavit.html
Laws vary by state so as always ask an attorney.
 
Sorry Lou, bogus argument here. Mosconi always played on Brunswick tables, mostly Gold Crowns. The different/strange table argument just doesn't hold water. He brought his own balls and racked for himself on each successive rack, so he got the balls just the way he wanted them. He had a towel and would clean the balls as necessary. I watched him do all this a dozen times or more.

IMO they both played 14.1 on a similarly difficult table and encountered the same kind of obstacles in running their racks. It was a tremendous accomplishment by both men and it just so happens that John Schmidt ran 100 more balls than Willie Mosconi. I too think Willie was one of the two of three best players of all time, but the fact remains John broke his high run record, plain and simple. You can twist it any way you want but it changes nothing!


Bogus?! -- then JS can walk into any pool hall, with Brunswicks, and run balls.

ah, but no, he can't. He needed his special table. He needed his special rack. He needed to play at the wrong end of the table. We don't know (yet) how often he needed to polish up the balls. What we do know is that it took him months to make a run that beat Mosconi, with all kinds of favorable conditions.

And while Mosconi did bring his own balls you seem to have forgotten he had a ref and racker the night he made his run. Personally, after watching four of his 100 ball runs, I never saw him use a towel.

So yes. JS broke the record. But if was totally and completely and thouroughly gaffed up.

Lou Figueroa
 
You guys are really overthinking things.

What John did was amazing. His results are due to tremendous effort and dedication to the game. It should be celebrated by anyone who is as fan of the game.
 

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You guys are really overthinking things.

What John did was amazing. His results are due to tremendous effort and dedication to the game. It should be celebrated by anyone who is as fan of the game.


He ran a lot of balls.

But if you're a true fan of the game you cannot say it was comparable to what Mosconi did.

Lou Figueroa
 
He ran a lot of balls.

But if you're a true fan of the game you cannot say it was comparable to what Mosconi did.

Lou Figueroa

Nothing is the same
The table
The cloth
The balls
The weather
The chalk
and on and on...

If you can't say "Good Shooting", to a guy who ran that many balls, then you are the problem.
 
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