Seems like everyone complains about barboxes, I have absolutely no problem with them. When I say barbox I am mainly talking about 7' Diamonds, for reasons I cant explain the Valley's seem to break worse but play easier. The Diamond is slightly bigger, 40" x 80" vs 38" x 76" but I think the real difference is the pocket shelf, Valley's have very short shelf compared to a Diamond. Most Valley's have a pretty tight pocket, without an actual ruler I would guess they are about 4 5/8", 2 balls will just make it thru a pocket opening but they wont both fit thru on a Diamond. I cant say they are too easy until I am running every rack and that wont be happening anytime soon. I play 8 ball more than anything else, its the game of choice in this neck of the woods. I would say that I get more break and runs in 8 ball on my 9' table than I do on barboxes.