$75 a day for a live stream and you can't afford it? WOW!
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Here is one of the basic things I learned about contracting out services. If I go to them they want it cheap or for free. If they come to me, they pay my rate.
So --- how do you get them to come to you.
BTW in my area many of the contracts were let by RFP (request for proposal). I usually did not even submit a bid until I had the inside track. That is, someone on the committee already knew me and my work.
Sorry but that is the way the world works.
Those who have said that you need easily referenced examples of your work and an infomercial that teaches about the benefit derived from your work are on the right track.
I also learned that when you are on the bleeding edge of your technology people want to be there with you. You not only have to be proficient, you have to be beyond the competition.
So --- how do you get them to come to you.
BTW in my area many of the contracts were let by RFP (request for proposal). I usually did not even submit a bid until I had the inside track. That is, someone on the committee already knew me and my work.
Sorry but that is the way the world works.
Those who have said that you need easily referenced examples of your work and an infomercial that teaches about the benefit derived from your work are on the right track.
I also learned that when you are on the bleeding edge of your technology people want to be there with you. You not only have to be proficient, you have to be beyond the competition.
I had the same question.
If the streaming is provided by POVPOOL to viewers of the tournament thru the Internet free of charge, then he is donating a lot of free time to making the streaming possible and admittedly, is being grossly underpaid. And what's provided free today, if and when it grows in popularity, all too often becomes a fee paid service. And there's nothing wrong with that as long as the market realizes what the ultimate objective is.........Medicare Advantage plans were provided free of charge the last five years and had enormous growth.....tens of millions joined.........and now everyone in those plans have to pay for their plans where it was previously provided free of charge.
The aforementioned example is real and the was always to true intention was to always charge for belonging to one of these Medicare Advantage plans. The free membership was meant to just attract as many new enrollees as possible by offering these plans free of charge......until the membership numbers reached the point that these health insurance companies owned the marketplace and could charge anything they now want.
And before anyone posts that Obamacare has caused all of this, just shut up now. These Medicare Advantage plans were created under President Bush back in 2005/6 when President Obama was just a senator. Th health insurance industry just saw the opportunity, seized upon it and are now raking in hundreds of millions of dollars in premiums for the same plans that were offered free for the past 6 years. This was all just marketing strategies by the insurance companies to sign up as many new enrollees as possible as fast as possible and free of charge plans were the enticement. Things aren't always what it appears to be...........you have to pull back the curtains a little to ascertain the true, underlying motives.
Ergo, if POVPOOL receives 75 a day as his remuneration to perform the streaming service, and then he also charges viewers to access this streaming, then he has nothing to gripe about whatsoever as this thread is counterfeit. There's nothing to debate or campaign about because that would be equivalent to a door to door salesperson griping that their last sales appointment was just too cheap, or stupid, to pass up buying the world's greatest vacuum that he just happened to be selling that same day when he knocked on the last appointment's door........Duh?
If $75 is all POVPOOL gets and he doesn't market or sell access to the streaming for a fee, he's doing the pool industry a genuine favor. However, if he charges viewers to have access to the streaming, even as little as $1.99, then this thread is pure hogwash. I really do not know how POVPOOL approaches this business or what his ultimate marketing plan is but rest assured, this is a business.......expense records are maintained, equipment is capitalized/depreciated, P&L statement gets produced etc. If that were the case, this should not be about trying to gain support or bolster in any way some AZer's business because the marketplace always tells you if your product is needed, competitive and priced right.
So you tell me.....and keep in mind that what's may be provided relatively inexpensive right now does not always remain that way if and when it catches on. I think there's a lot more involved here than just some tournament operators being too cheap to pay him $75 to stream the video. Anyway, nothing in life is free and POVPOOL may be the most noble, generous person around and the flip side could be he is just trying to rally interest and support in his streaming services so he can grow the business, or at least start to turn a profit. I do not know which version applies more but others on the Forum are certain to know more about this than me.
The aforementioned example is real and the was always to true intention was to always charge for belonging to one of these Medicare Advantage plans. The free membership was meant to just attract as many new enrollees as possible by offering these plans free of charge......until the membership numbers reached the point that these health insurance companies owned the marketplace and could charge anything they now want.
And before anyone posts that Obamacare has caused all of this, just shut up now. These Medicare Advantage plans were created under President Bush back in 2005/6 when President Obama was just a senator. Th health insurance industry just saw the opportunity, seized upon it and are now raking in hundreds of millions of dollars in premiums for the same plans that were offered free for the past 6 years. This was all just marketing strategies by the insurance companies to sign up as many new enrollees as possible as fast as possible and free of charge plans were the enticement. Things aren't always what it appears to be...........you have to pull back the curtains a little to ascertain the true, underlying motives.
Ergo, if POVPOOL receives 75 a day as his remuneration to perform the streaming service, and then he also charges viewers to access this streaming, then he has nothing to gripe about whatsoever as this thread is counterfeit. There's nothing to debate or campaign about because that would be equivalent to a door to door salesperson griping that their last sales appointment was just too cheap, or stupid, to pass up buying the world's greatest vacuum that he just happened to be selling that same day when he knocked on the last appointment's door........Duh?
If $75 is all POVPOOL gets and he doesn't market or sell access to the streaming for a fee, he's doing the pool industry a genuine favor. However, if he charges viewers to have access to the streaming, even as little as $1.99, then this thread is pure hogwash. I really do not know how POVPOOL approaches this business or what his ultimate marketing plan is but rest assured, this is a business.......expense records are maintained, equipment is capitalized/depreciated, P&L statement gets produced etc. If that were the case, this should not be about trying to gain support or bolster in any way some AZer's business because the marketplace always tells you if your product is needed, competitive and priced right.
So you tell me.....and keep in mind that what's may be provided relatively inexpensive right now does not always remain that way if and when it catches on. I think there's a lot more involved here than just some tournament operators being too cheap to pay him $75 to stream the video. Anyway, nothing in life is free and POVPOOL may be the most noble, generous person around and the flip side could be he is just trying to rally interest and support in his streaming services so he can grow the business, or at least start to turn a profit. I do not know which version applies more but others on the Forum are certain to know more about this than me.
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Wait a minute!
$75.00 / day is not cheap! Because it's not $75.00 / day. If you have a thousand people watching the stream, that's not $75.00 / day....that's $75,000.00 /day!
That's pretty expensive labor for one day's work, if you ask me.
He wasn't asking viewers to pay 75 each...
He was asking the venue to pay a total of 75 per day so he could stream it FREE to the public.
Jaden
p.s. Daniel I feel your pain. I did a free stream where all I got was reduced entries for me and my friend.
He was asking the venue to pay a total of 75 per day so he could stream it FREE to the public.
Jaden
p.s. Daniel I feel your pain. I did a free stream where all I got was reduced entries for me and my friend.
Jaden already cleared it up but I gotta say this really cracked me up.
I love it when pool people do math. Everyone in the industry automatically becomes rich as balls. If it only worked like that.
The premise of your position is faulty, it rests on the idea that the merit of POV's post is based on wether or not he receives income from the stream watchers. It just may be that any growth in the pool industry will be organically by the efforts of those that put their passion ahead of money. Pool is filled with people who support our passion and money comes very difficult to them and it is certainly not why they do it. So what if POV charges viewers? It is certainly justified as simply a cost of making it happen. Asking for donations... well I'll just say it probably won't work.
Justin was right. It simply has little value to the local room and it wasn't the money. My advice, charge us! Makes his efforts none less valuable to the community.
Go POV!
I'm going to consider doing this event PPV. That being said, I will offer them $150 to do it.
I will not disclose the location or the event merely for the fact that this is not the intention of the thread... To slam the venue or the owner.
Thanks for all the suggestions... These guys paid me $200 to do the same stream last year but because I did Hard Times for free so many times, I think that they think I'm going to bend over backwards again and do, yet another free stream.
Maybe it's my fault for setting a precedent.
Hard Times Billiards still doesn't want to pay me unless they sponsor something big like a "Hard Times 10-Ball" event.
It's interesting to note though that some of you think that streaming doesn't hold value to a venue or that streaming might stop viewers from coming to the venue.. Visa vie: that streaming may pose a threat to people coming into the venue during an event an spending money.
There are 2 reasons why this is not valid
1. If POV Pool promotes the tournament and the stream early on, it almost always guarantees that said event will not only have a full bracket based on the merit of my promotional power, but also that additional spectators will arrive to sweat the action because they know certain players will be present. I know this from experience.
2. The value of those streamed matches being on YouTube and the promotion of the venue during those streams gives value to the venue because they receive limitless promotion which is viewed by thousands over the course of time. The stream promotes the venue is the general idea, here.
This particular stream will be one-pocket, which has an enormous viral following. People are hungry for one-pocket action because one-pocket gets little attention, yet is often hailed as the 'best pool game ever invented'. This is another reason why I would like to do the stream. Because I feel that one-pocket is so important to pool fans.
For those wondering if I'm making any other monies outside of the $75 per day that i'm asking for... Yes, a little here and a little there always helps. Enough to keep my justifying doing live streams... But Jesus! I'm not greedy folks. I'm just trying to cover my gas, pay my rent and write of my losses to Uncle Sam! Donations come in but never enough to make it worth my while. It has to be a little here and a little there....
Pay Per View might be the route, here...
I will not disclose the location or the event merely for the fact that this is not the intention of the thread... To slam the venue or the owner.
Thanks for all the suggestions... These guys paid me $200 to do the same stream last year but because I did Hard Times for free so many times, I think that they think I'm going to bend over backwards again and do, yet another free stream.
Maybe it's my fault for setting a precedent.
Hard Times Billiards still doesn't want to pay me unless they sponsor something big like a "Hard Times 10-Ball" event.
It's interesting to note though that some of you think that streaming doesn't hold value to a venue or that streaming might stop viewers from coming to the venue.. Visa vie: that streaming may pose a threat to people coming into the venue during an event an spending money.
There are 2 reasons why this is not valid
1. If POV Pool promotes the tournament and the stream early on, it almost always guarantees that said event will not only have a full bracket based on the merit of my promotional power, but also that additional spectators will arrive to sweat the action because they know certain players will be present. I know this from experience.
2. The value of those streamed matches being on YouTube and the promotion of the venue during those streams gives value to the venue because they receive limitless promotion which is viewed by thousands over the course of time. The stream promotes the venue is the general idea, here.
This particular stream will be one-pocket, which has an enormous viral following. People are hungry for one-pocket action because one-pocket gets little attention, yet is often hailed as the 'best pool game ever invented'. This is another reason why I would like to do the stream. Because I feel that one-pocket is so important to pool fans.
For those wondering if I'm making any other monies outside of the $75 per day that i'm asking for... Yes, a little here and a little there always helps. Enough to keep my justifying doing live streams... But Jesus! I'm not greedy folks. I'm just trying to cover my gas, pay my rent and write of my losses to Uncle Sam! Donations come in but never enough to make it worth my while. It has to be a little here and a little there....
Pay Per View might be the route, here...
#1....$75 pay per day to go through the trouble of running a live stream event is stupid cheap.
#2....Matt, I can say without hesitation that you have NO CLUE what you are talking about when it comes to Medicare Part C (Medicare Advantage) health plans. Your info is so incorrect and skewed that it's silly. You make it sound like all MA plans have been free for the last six years and beneficiaries are forced to pay more. That couldn't be further from the truth, lol.
I suggest you do some research on this industry before you spew off such incredible drivel in an attempt to discredit the Bush administration. Medicare Advantage plans were never free, some options may have been "free" as you call it, but that "free" meant that enrollees could enroll in that plan and have to pay no additional premium, meaning their Part A and B premiums that they already pay would cover that particular MA plan. People who sign up for all MA plans are only enrolled for a period of one (1) year and each fall during open enrollment, they are free to change insurance companies and switch to a different plan or withdraw from the program altogether and return to traditional Medicare FFS (Part A and B). You see, they have choice. They are not forced to keep their plan or "forced to pay more" as you call it.
Last time I checked, Medicare Choice originated with the passage of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 by the 105th Congress, which was in session during Bill Clinton's presidency. This law simply offered Medicare beneficiaries different choices of how to receive those benefits....or remain with the status quo. There was a great demand by beneficiaries who wanted to pay extra in, so they could receive additional benefits that are not covered under the Medicare program. A few examples of these additional benefits are prescription drug benefit (the big one), routine dental & vision, acupuncture, hearing aids, and foot care.
Are there some good things about the program? Yes.
Is the program flawless? Of course not. (it's overseen by the federal govt)
Do you have a clue what you are talking about with it? Sorry, but obviously not.
Btw, Medicare premiums aren't stagnant, they keep increasing too. Damn that sorry President Obama for increasing the poor seniors' health coverage costs. http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Medicare/2011/20121027-MedicareAnnouncesPremiums.htm
Btw again, PPACA has and will continue to increase health care costs for everyone in this country. It's simple math really. You can't mandate more things be covered and expect it to cost less. Any idiot can figure than out. Bad idea all the way around.
Go study a little, get educated and then we can have a sensible discussion on the merits or lack of merits with MA plans.
Daniel, I had shoulder surgery the week that Alex and Scott played one pocket at HardTimes. You could have made that a Pay Per View but you didn't. I watched all of the Swanee and the one pocket match. I was stuck in my recliner for 5 days. Watching pool and playing makes me happy. I would pay you to stream at my house playing the ghost. Lol. hopefully you continue to do what you do.
its a business deal between you and the owner. he obviously doesnt think he will make more than 150 because of the streaming. you have to show him it will.
so you have to do something to make him believe he will profit from it. maybe it boils down to it his place and you should pay him from the proceeds from using his business to further yours.
so you have to do something to make him believe he will profit from it. maybe it boils down to it his place and you should pay him from the proceeds from using his business to further yours.
I know it sounds ridiculous not to pay 75 bucks a day for a stream. And in many aspects it is a little ridiculous/pathetic. But So Cal pool halls have been hurting and closing. Rent is HIGH. Its just tough to keep the doors open. I don't know what the financial situation of this place is... but, maybe its as simple as, there isn't 150 dollars worth of extra pie to go around. Unless the OP knows the owner has plenty of cash... was there a reason given for not wanting to do the stream?
Daniel your hard work should not go unrewarded. You know that you get your appreciation but that does not cover the nut. Pay per view is great for those events that have the attractions--good competitive players and the potential for great pool. Make those streams available at a 2nd or 3rd viewing free for those who paid for the initial Stream. Example: I pay the Pay for View but because of an unexpected family matter I am unable to watch the initial stream, but also since I have paid in advance let me view it later that night or the following day. Just make sure that I get my monies worth. Your stream are really appreciated and I have watched my share of the FREE ones and certainly won't begrudge a reasonable Pay For View. For 1 Hole, Richie's commentary is cool especially for 1 Hole. We all know that in 1 Hole especially, that their are creative people who don't see the balls the same as us. All of a sudden one these shots come out nowhere, at least not where we were looking and miraculously the table is totally changed and we all go "What the f---k? Wishing at that moment we all had a DVR in our head that could play the shot back to our selfs, A simple "excuse my French" and an explanation of what happen and an effort to contain himself for awhile should be sufficient. Don't take the mike away. I really appreciate the work that you do and the excellent pool I have been able to watch while undergoing cancer treatments, So to reiterate Pay For View is fine for me, especially a quality stream. Pick and choose the attractive and potentially exiting matches. Let me know in advance and I'll participate and I'll still give you $20.00 extra each time that I see you for a special desert at Chris & Pitts.
G. "Charlie" Brown
G. "Charlie" Brown
Sean.....you are admittedly very knowledgeable about pool cues but pretty uninformed about Medicare.
To sell health insurance products, you must have a real estate/insurance license in most states as far as I know......I have mine....how about you?
Yes,,,1997......I recall that period very well but Sean, you're really out of touch..........Just read below which happened under the George Bush Presidency.....I trust you'll recall the period that he was our President. If you wanna battle which you're inclined to do with me, then send me a PM and keep it off the public Forum.
BUT PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION........GET THE FACTS RIGHT...........PLEASE.......PLEASE READ BELOW CAREFULLY & TAKE NOTES!
Congress enacted Medicare Advantage as part of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003.
While best known for creating the costly universal prescription drug entitlement, the Act also replaced Medicare Plus Choice (Medicare Part C)—a program created under the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 that allowed Medicare recipients to choose coverage from among several private plans—with Medicare Advantage.
Medicare Advantage has several features that are superior to previous private health plan experiments: an improvement in financing and a greater level of market penetration and stability than Medicare Plus Choice. Most important, it gives senior and disabled citizens new and different private health plan options, affordable care, and broader and better benefits, including care management programs and embedded prescription drug coverage with some versions of the Advantage Plans.
NUF SED........
And the health insurance industry marketed and extensively sold these "free" Medicare Advantage Plans from 2004 thru 2008 for free (no premium) until the government subsidy to private 3rd party providers of Medicare services, like United Health Care, Kaiser, Aetna, Blue Shield, Humana, etc., was discontinued under the Affordable Health Care Act. Medicare was previously paying these firms more than a $1,000 per month for every Medicare enrollee....yup over $12,000 annually for every Medicare enrollee........and that's why these firms were all racing to sign as many seniors up as possible as fast as possible......because once you got 'em, these new enrollees immediately turned into a cash cow for these firms. And how do I know all this..... I was a licensed agent for United Health Care & others and Medicare and retirement/insurance products were my specialty.
Sean, you should stick to pool cues because you are really off base on this topic buddy.....we're not debating the value of pool cues in which case I'd likely defer to you.......but not this topic 'cause you're in my domain and I'm quoting the real, hard cold facts. You really shouldn't start a quarrel on a topic you seemingly have only cursory knowledge, especially when the contra side has expertise on the subject matter. It is always your privilege to criticize or disagree with me which seems to have become a recent tendency of yours but's that's really inconsequential to my reply. But the one thing you cannot ever do, nor will I allow you to ever do, is alter, distort or misquote genuine facts, dates, or any portion of Medicare Regulations.............Don't start acting like Senator Ted Cruz and just start making stuff up and babbling off untruthful statements............After all is said and done, genuine facts or equivalent empirical data still has meaning and importance for most of us.
To sell health insurance products, you must have a real estate/insurance license in most states as far as I know......I have mine....how about you?
Yes,,,1997......I recall that period very well but Sean, you're really out of touch..........Just read below which happened under the George Bush Presidency.....I trust you'll recall the period that he was our President. If you wanna battle which you're inclined to do with me, then send me a PM and keep it off the public Forum.
BUT PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION........GET THE FACTS RIGHT...........PLEASE.......PLEASE READ BELOW CAREFULLY & TAKE NOTES!
Congress enacted Medicare Advantage as part of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003.
While best known for creating the costly universal prescription drug entitlement, the Act also replaced Medicare Plus Choice (Medicare Part C)—a program created under the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 that allowed Medicare recipients to choose coverage from among several private plans—with Medicare Advantage.
Medicare Advantage has several features that are superior to previous private health plan experiments: an improvement in financing and a greater level of market penetration and stability than Medicare Plus Choice. Most important, it gives senior and disabled citizens new and different private health plan options, affordable care, and broader and better benefits, including care management programs and embedded prescription drug coverage with some versions of the Advantage Plans.
NUF SED........
And the health insurance industry marketed and extensively sold these "free" Medicare Advantage Plans from 2004 thru 2008 for free (no premium) until the government subsidy to private 3rd party providers of Medicare services, like United Health Care, Kaiser, Aetna, Blue Shield, Humana, etc., was discontinued under the Affordable Health Care Act. Medicare was previously paying these firms more than a $1,000 per month for every Medicare enrollee....yup over $12,000 annually for every Medicare enrollee........and that's why these firms were all racing to sign as many seniors up as possible as fast as possible......because once you got 'em, these new enrollees immediately turned into a cash cow for these firms. And how do I know all this..... I was a licensed agent for United Health Care & others and Medicare and retirement/insurance products were my specialty.
Sean, you should stick to pool cues because you are really off base on this topic buddy.....we're not debating the value of pool cues in which case I'd likely defer to you.......but not this topic 'cause you're in my domain and I'm quoting the real, hard cold facts. You really shouldn't start a quarrel on a topic you seemingly have only cursory knowledge, especially when the contra side has expertise on the subject matter. It is always your privilege to criticize or disagree with me which seems to have become a recent tendency of yours but's that's really inconsequential to my reply. But the one thing you cannot ever do, nor will I allow you to ever do, is alter, distort or misquote genuine facts, dates, or any portion of Medicare Regulations.............Don't start acting like Senator Ted Cruz and just start making stuff up and babbling off untruthful statements............After all is said and done, genuine facts or equivalent empirical data still has meaning and importance for most of us.
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