8 and cue ball in jaws of pocket how can i win??

dodgecharger said:

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wouldnt somthing like that work? it shouldnt be that hard
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Barring the masse shot I'd probably do this, but backwards. I'd hit the end rail 1st with alot of inside to come back to the pocket. To hit the side rail 1st I'd believe you'd have to use alot of outside (or kill) to get the angles to come back to where they need to be. Kill I think is harder to control then running english.

DJ
 
No matter what answer people give you for this shot, this is definitely one scenario nobody wants to be in. I've seen these things come up in professional matches and everyone feels a bit awkward and confused on what to do.

The fact is, anything you do that works, may not work the next time. Anything that gets you close is a good effort.
 
THIS IS YOUR WORST ADVICE.
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Snapshot9 said:
I haven't tried this, so I can't say for sure,

BUT, shoot into the pocket, about 1/4 of the 8 ball using a jump shot with inside english (inside throws the 8 in), and have the cue ball hit the back top of the pocket to bounce back out onto the table. (This is a variation of the shot where the ball is real close to side pocket to cut it into the corner and have the cue ball go into the side pocket and out again with a modification because of the 8 being frozen against the cue (having to use inside english in lieu of outside english))
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I would think that for the average B player and above, the masse shot has to be at least even money. A players would probably make it 80% of the time.
 
uwate said:
I would think that for the average B player and above, the masse shot has to be at least even money. A players would probably make it 80% of the time.
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What are you talking about? I'm an A player and I can't masse for the life of me. When I was a D, I MASSED LIKE GOD!

I swear to you, as I get better, my jumps, banks & masses get worse.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
What are you talking about? I'm an A player and I can't masse for the life of me. When I was a D, I MASSED LIKE GOD!

I swear to you, as I get better, my jumps, banks & masses get worse.
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You have probably subconsciously learned to stay close to the center of the cue ball to avoid the dreaded (and embarassing for an accomplished player) miscue...which would slowly errode at your ability to execute those shots.

When you were "less accomplished", you could/would fearlessly reach for the far corners of the cue ball.
 
mosconiac said:
You have probably subconsciously learned to stay close to the center of the cue ball to avoid the dreaded (and embarassing for an accomplished player) miscue...which would slowly errode at your ability to execute those shots.

When you were "less accomplished", you could/would fearlessly reach for the far corners of the cue ball.
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Lol, I like your way of thinking but I think it's just that I focus on routine scenarios far more. When you first learn the fun stuff, your next objective is to make it appilcable. As you get better, you want your success-rate to increase for everything so you stray away from shots that inherently have a low-percentage. That's when the lack-of-familiarity-factor only increases.
 
Solartje said:
aim at the tits of the jaw. :)

let it kick of the nose of the jaws, into the black and outwards. its one of the easiest shots to do i think.
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I agree, nice post.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
What are you talking about? I'm an A player and I can't masse for the life of me. When I was a D, I MASSED LIKE GOD!

I swear to you, as I get better, my jumps, banks & masses get worse.
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Seriously...you would not try to elevate 180 and try to make this? Really??
 
uwate said:
Seriously...you would not try to elevate 180 and try to make this? Really??
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I never said I wouldn't try to masse it in. That's the correct shot. I'm simply saying I don't like it. There's nothing to like here.

There is also a safety, I might add. You can just tap it. I don't like that shot but I've seen it played that way.
 
uwate said:
Seriously...you would not try to elevate 180 and try to make this? Really??
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If he elevated 180 he'd be shooting flat again.. :D If he elevated 90 or so I think it'd be more what your describing. ;)

On a side note I was thinking I'd kick at it 2 rails if it were me, but someone else suggested (this is very dependant on the table and how tight or rather loose the pockets are) kicking it into the nipple cue ball side slightly outward and letting it rebound into the 8 and double kiss the 8 into the pocket while the cue ball exits.. If the pockets are big enough to do it, I think that would be by far the highest percentage shot.

By the way I'm a B player and I can't masse for shit. Much like the other guy seems like the better I get, the worse I get at those style of shots. When I was younger I used to masse around racks and make balls with some decent accuracy. Nowdays I end up just whacking my cue off the side of the ball and into the table which makes a very nerve wracking sound.. LOL So I don't do it much anymore. I like my odds kicking at shit all day long before the trick shots come out. There's almost always a way to get there.

RD
 
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Are the balls frozen & is are u corner hooked with the cueball?

If frozen good luck with going two rails. If you are not too terribly corner hooked, I would load up with right english into the rail as depicted in this wei setup.

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%A[0\1%BZ8[9%CZ9\7%D[2\2%E[1[9%FZ6\2%G[3\3%HD0B9%IZ9\0%J[1\4
%K[8\3%L[2\0%M[2\4%N[4\4%O[1\4%PC2C9%UN0[1%VC7C8%YD9E5%ZJ1[3
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sorry for the spellcheck lazinezzzzzz ,but id like to say wen i massed i used a jump cue and i was wondering if thats illegal to use in apa ?seems like this shot has a lot of questions ,but i am glad i got a lot of great responses
 
I like the masse. But someone who doesn't practice masse's much, could easily mess it up first attempt.

I'd also consider the push shot with right english if it were legal under the rules. You have to be careful to aim a little right of center on the 8-ball, as the CB tends to follow it in.

A lot depends on the actual lay in the jaw.

A 3rd option is diagrammed requiring left english aiming at the far bottom (or is it top) rail. This shot plays more consistantly than the check (hold up) side english off the side rail. A slight difference in amount of english makes a big difference to the resultant angle.

Colin
 
Well ...

I pulled a dirty trick on my good Pool buddy last night. I set the shot up exactly as described, and challenged him to make it.

Jamie jacked up about 70 degrees, shot into about 1/4 of the 8 on the inside part of the 8 with left low english, and it went in just as pretty as you please. This was setup on hole 4 (for golf players) with the 8 on the the foot end rail side, cue ball on long rail side.

HERE IT IS ON CUETABLE:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4HaEn4Pbjc4...THER_CORNER_POCKET_WITH_LOW_LEFT_ENGLISH.&ZZ@
 
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