>>> 8-ball bar rules suck ~~ promoting BIH

I'm An EXPERT

I have spent my entire life playing in bars. You have to call the 8 and it must go CLEAN, it can't touch another ball. You must call the 8, but it can go 'off' another ball. You have to bank,. You have to make it where you made your last ball. You have to make the 8 where THEY tell you to make it and on and on and on. LOL :)

I found that the very best way to play bar 8 ball is to play for drinks. If you win a few games, you won't care what the rules are. If you lose, the others there will love you and tolerate you and 'some' of your rules. The owner will love you, the barmaid will love you, the waitress (if they have one) will love and IF you're any good at all, you can pick up some money while everybody is drinking and loving each other.... imo

Playing the jukebox and singing loudly (whether you know the words or not) will help you when you didn't call the short rail on the table length kick or you double-kissed the money ball in. :)

If you MUST jump a ball, scoop it and make it look like an accident..... whacking yourself on the forehead with the palm of your hand will do wonders for you, IF you are convincing. Putting blue chalk on the end of your nose and pretending that you don't know it's there is always good for raising the bet.

Hide your real bankroll in your shoe.

Doug
 
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only one thing I can say to this . . .

We musta hung out in the same bars! :grin: :grin: :grin:

Hu



Smorgass Bored said:
I have spent my entire life playing in bars. You have to call the 8 and it must go CLEAN, it can't touch another ball. You must call the 8, but it can go 'off' another ball. You have to bank,. You have to make it where you made your last ball. You have to make the 8 where THEY tell you to make it and on and on and on. LOL :)

I found that the very best way to play bar 8 ball is to play for drinks. If you win a few games, you won't care what the rules are. If you lose, the others there will love you and tolerate you and 'some' of your rules. The owner will love you, the barmaid will love you, the waitress (if they have one) will love and IF you're any good at all, you can pick up some money while everybody is drinking and loving each other.... imo

Playing the jukebox and singing loudly (whether you know the words or not) will help you when you didn't call the short rail on the table length kick or you double-kissed the money ball in. :)

If you MUST jump a ball, scoop it and make it look like an accident..... whacking yourself on the forehead with the palm of your hand will do wonders for you, IF you are convincing. Putting blue chalk on the end of your nose and pretending that you don't know it's there is always good for raising the bet.

Hide your real bankroll in your shoe.

Doug
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Beat em at their own game thats what i say, it's so much more rewarding when you whoop their a$$ playing by some rules they just made up.They tell me i gotta bank it 3 rails for it to count then fine, I bank it 3 rails, its worth it just to wipe that stupid smirk off their face.

and the 2 way shot is your saviour when playing idiots like these. Ill go for a bank i know i probably wont make just because i know itll leave em safe AND look like i was trying to make it. After a few of those youll end up with a layout u like. Then u run out!
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I have spent my entire life playing in bars. You have to call the 8 and it must go CLEAN, it can't touch another ball. You must call the 8, but it can go 'off' another ball. You have to bank,. You have to make it where you made your last ball. You have to make the 8 where THEY tell you to make it and on and on and on. LOL :)

I found that the very best way to play bar 8 ball is to play for drinks. If you win a few games, you won't care what the rules are. If you lose, the others there will love you and tolerate you and 'some' of your rules. The owner will love you, the barmaid will love you, the waitress (if they have one) will love and IF you're any good at all, you can pick up some money while everybody is drinking and loving each other.... imo

Playing the jukebox and singing loudly (whether you know the words or not) will help you when you didn't call the short rail on the table length kick or you double-kissed the money ball in. :)

If you MUST jump a ball, scoop it and make it look like an accident..... whacking yourself on the forehead with the palm of your hand will do wonders for you, IF you are convincing. Putting blue chalk on the end of your nose and pretending that you don't know it's there is always good for raising the bet.

Hide your real bankroll in your shoe.

Doug
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Doug, I might add, staying totally s--tface usually helps tolerate the situation... imo. :rolleyes:

Dick
 
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Balabushka said:
Good luck with that, but I don't know. I think it would be easier to go into peoples houses and tell them how to discipline their children.

I suggested a "Ball in Hand" FOR my opponent recently in a bar. He was a local, and I was a visitor. I might as well have told him to put on a dress and do the Hootchie-Koo. He recruited all his other boozey local buddies, to hurrumph and snicker at my offer. It went like this:

"Dis guy says I can put da cueball anywheres..."

Which in turn the half-in-the-bag chorus sounded:

"Hurrumph, ahaha, snicker, belch, hurrumph."

Moral:
When in Rome, ....dance the hootchie-koo.
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Well put, nothing to add to this one.
 
ShootingArts said:
Linda,

Most of your post I agree with but here I feel you shot yourself in the foot a bit. You point out that the rule can be used to affect strategy. How is that any different than the One Pocket rule that the other player's ball comes back on the table if you make it and scratch?

Some rules make sense or don't make sense, some simply define the structure of the game and it doesn't matter what they are. Ball in hand anywhere or ball in hand in the kitchen isn't one of the things I consider a major deal. Of course I played eight ball ball in the kitchen for ten or fifteen years!

Hu
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Hi Hu,

Actually, I played 'in the kitchen' bar pool for the same length of time. :eek:

The difference is that in 1 pocket, 2 balls come up and you have playable balls. You have a shot.

In 8 ball, you are kicking, or something else I think is unethical, which is intentionally not making a good hit, but playing for bad shape for them to have a tough shot. Unless you are playing the really scary rules that if the 8 ball is the last ball in the kitchen and you don't make a good hit, then it is LOSS of game!

I don't see how that matches up with the penalty in 1P.

And if it is not loss of game, again you get into that trap where they keep scratching and you keep pushing the ball to anywhere that leaves them bad.
 
I add an illustration...

rackmsuckr said:
...BIH - what you need to ask all these bar players is, "Why should I be penalized for YOUR foul"????? Sometimes this will penetrate their brains. :o
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To illustrate this more clearly, I usually set the 8 ball on the middle of the short rail in the kitchen, and then shoot the cue ball as hard as I can straight into a pocket, yelling "OOOOOPS!" afterwards. Then I tell them to take the cue ball in the kitchen and make the 8. Helps to get the point across.:grin-square:

Thankfully, around here there are no bar tables. Tables in bars are 9 footers, and even the bangers know that you get ball in hand if you don't make contact. How cool is that!:clapping:

I was explaining the idea of "Bar Tables" to a friend of mine who owns a bar. She was shocked. The idea of paying per game instead of per hour was a mystery to her.:) "What about the people who take 20 minutes to play one game?" she said. All I could say was that that's how it's done in the States.
 
arsenius said:
To illustrate this more clearly, I usually set the 8 ball on the middle of the short rail in the kitchen, and then shoot the cue ball as hard as I can straight into a pocket, yelling "OOOOOPS!" afterwards. Then I tell them to take the cue ball in the kitchen and make the 8. Helps to get the point across.:grin-square:
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Yeaow - How fair is that?

Another situation that burns me is after running 6-7 balls and maneuvering the Q around all the balls, maybe I'm unable to breakout the problem ball.... you're pretty much forced to swing away at the remaining problem ball leaving a wide open table for Bubba (or you're a CS!):mad:

Except for the ear splitting music & straight 8 rules, I can actually enjoy playing "King of the Table" becoming semi-invisible and carousing in the bars that Smorgie described - IF I'm in that mood. It's the tournaments with respectable speed players when these ridiculous bar rule situations set me off. They should all know better and most usually do.
 
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guess I'm more laid back

I guess I'm more laid back. I play however the other player plays. When I played a lot of bar table in big BR we would regularly have players show up from Houston and complain about the rules. Those were the only people I told to carry their butts back to Houston if they didn't like the rules here. I met too many folks from Houston that whined and bellyached about how bad Louisiana was and talked about how great Houston was yet they never went back!


A few months ago I was playing a young man in a place that was more bar than pool room but it has one ratty old nine footer. He knocked a few balls off the table. When he knocked one off he brought it back to the table and winged it around the table by hand so that it hit six or eight rails and of course often wrecked the lay out. An interesting variation and I may have batted my eyes the first time he did it but I never said a mumbling word, just made a note not to knock any off the table because he would probably object to me spotting it and I surely wasn't going to fling a ball around the table!

Hu




Jigger said:
Yeaow - How fair is that?

Another situation that burns me is after running 6-7 balls and maneuvering the Q around all the balls, maybe I'm unable to breakout the problem ball.... you're pretty much forced to swing away at the remaining problem ball and leaving a wide open table for Bubba (or you're a CS!):mad:

Except for the ear splitting music & straight 8 rules, I can actually enjoy playing "King of the Table" becoming semi-invisible and carousing in the bars that Smorgie described - IF I'm in that mood. It's the tournaments with respectable speed players when these ridiculous bar rule situations set me off. They should all know better and most usually do.
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mtdsports said:
i grew up in a town of 600 people with 2 bars and they only play 8 ball bar rules.........however.......if you try to pull a safety in there you will have your ass beat. BIH is simply a way to regulate safeties so that certain rules cannot be taken advantage of......they don't use it cause for the most part they are honorable enough not to take advantage... and going back to the original post........i don't belive bar rules inhibit the level of play. if you get good playing bar rules it's because you don't know how to duck.......it's run out or lose.
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I used to live in a town of 900 in Nebraska, they have a league with around a 100 players every year, everyone in town plays BIH in all three bars and safeties are not frowned upon.

Pretty rare for a small town.
 
A wise player once told me that different rules just make you work on different parts of your game.

The key to bar table pool is not to run out, till you know you can.:wink:
 
mtdsports said:
i grew up in a town of 600 people with 2 bars and they only play 8 ball bar rules.........however.......if you try to pull a safety in there you will have your ass beat. BIH is simply a way to regulate safeties so that certain rules cannot be taken advantage of......they don't use it cause for the most part they are honorable enough not to take advantage... and going back to the original post........i don't belive bar rules inhibit the level of play. if you get good playing bar rules it's because you don't know how to duck.......it's run out or lose.
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Do you have to call the rail?
 
cuechick said:
A wise player once told me that different rules just make you work on different parts of your game.

The key to bar table pool is not to run out, till you know you can.:wink:
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Yes - Excellent points. Sometimes my ego and lack of patience hurts me.:o
 
Bar Rules Suck . . .

Yeah, for the most part I agree, and if I have a choice I play BIH.

That said, most people you find in bars only know bar rules. Heck, I bet if you took a poll, the majority of us learned to play first using bar rules.

For myself, I play whatever the opponent wants/is able to play. I'll ask them before we rack, "bar or ball in hand?" If they look at me funny, I know it's bar. I honestly have gotten to a point where I don't care what the rules are. Just tell me before we start. I'm going to win anyway.

However, when a few of my buddies get together we all play BIH. And about half the time challengers will ask what rules we're playing. When we tell them BIH usually they ask if we'll show them how so they can play at our table. In that fashion we've converted eight or nine players that show up at our regular spot from bar rules to BIH.

Sometimes they ask, "why are you playing BIH?" and we tell them, "because it makes the game a little more interesting." Or we tell them, "because that's how the pros play."

Interestingly, most of the time they immediately start asking more questions.

It's a slow process I know, but on the plus side at my regular spot I usually only play a half dozen games with bar rules any night I show up.

Richard
 
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