8 ball end game - advice?

KMRUNOUT said:
For the ball to be that deep in the pocket, those are some deep shelves. Nonetheless, it certainly seems like the cueball hits the point and can be directed from there. I hear your opinion. Mine differs. I play of the very edge of the rail frequently. The poster asked how would you play this. I said how. In person, it may look different, and I may elect to play the 13.

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I'm going to try this tomorrow, also....
...but I got a lot of respect for playing position from a ball hanging and froze to a jaw.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
For the ball to be that deep in the pocket, those are some deep shelves. Nonetheless, it certainly seems like the cueball hits the point and can be directed from there. I hear your opinion. Mine differs. I play of the very edge of the rail frequently. The poster asked how would you play this. I said how. In person, it may look different, and I may elect to play the 13.
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If the 10 was out a bit more instead of being buried so deep in the pocket your option is a lot more viable, but with the ten against the facing and buried as deep as it can possibly get, literally hanging on the lip with all of the 10 ball being completely past the points, on a table with really deep shelves like in the diagram, I don't think it is the best option. Even if you chose to go 10 ball first anyway, I don't think trying to use the rails on a ball buried this deep would be the best choice in this case and you would probably be better served trying to draw back without rail contact.

It would be interesting if some people who have tables with really deep shelves (where the 10 can be buried with all of the ball completely past the points) would try this runout ten times each going 10 ball first using the rails, 10 ball first drawing back without rail contact, and 13 ball first, and report back how how often they run out each way. We might be surprised by the results, or perhaps they might vary by person. Has to be on a table with really deep pockets where the 10 can be fully past the points though otherwise it won't resemble this layout.
 
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Poolhall60561 said:
Bank the 13 across the corner making sure you hit it so the cue rolls up against the long rail so if you miss your opponent does not have a straight in 8 ball on the 8/10. When you bank the 13 hit it soft enough so if you miss it sticks in front of the pocket, better to miss long than short. If you do make it you will have a good angle to cut the 10 and get on the 8.
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Cutting in the 13 or making the, "it's a hanger " 10 gives you a wild cue ball.
I still like my controlled bank on the 13 first, it might take ttwo turns to get out but I like to win.
 
The easiest way

Tennesseejoe has the right answer! This is the easiest, highest percentage way to run this rack out. Hit the right tit with a little left spin. You are doing the easiest possible thing here, rolling cue ball and tracking down the line to the 13.

Hit it too soft and you still have a shot at the 13. Any other speed gets you good to decent position on the 13.

Draw, banks, and safes are not as consistent as just rolling the ball.
 
Poolhall60561 said:
Cutting in the 13 or making the, "it's a hanger " 10 gives you a wild cue ball.
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How do you figure cutting the 13 gives you a "wild" cue ball? The shape is natural with very little risk. The only thing that makes the shot not an absolute gimme is not the position but just making the 13 ball itself but that should still be pretty high percentage for most people.

Poolhall60561 said:
I still like my controlled bank on the 13 first, it might take ttwo turns to get out but I like to win.
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You might like it but unless your opponent has been playing for less than a month he is pretty heavily favored to win if you do that IMO. You are probably going to miss the bank, and if he can shoot the 8 into the pocket where the 10 is he is going to win because the 8 will go almost as if the 10 isn't even there when the 10 is buried that deep. Your shot selection is one in which you are essentially gambling that he doesn't shoot straight enough to cut the 8 ball into the pocket and that gamble is only going to pay off more often than it doesn't against a real crappy player who shoots balls into rails more often than he pockets them.
 
michael4 said:
10 ball, draw back 2 feet.

13 in upper right corner (stop shot)

8 in upper left corner (stop shot)
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Without knowing the opponent, I would do this as well as I am very comfortable with the draw.

A thin cut on the 13 to the side is also a good shot to take if you are comfortable with that, however it is a much harder shot and a miss will most likely leave him a good shot on the 8 as well. Going 3 rails is going to put him in a much better position to bank or cut the 8 to the opposite long corner (if you go too far off the 3rd rail). The 10 ball is not going to stop the 8 from rolling in behind it so you can't consider it a blocker and if you thin cut softly he will certainly do that if given a clean hit.

The only alternative is to hit the 13 and safety the 8 so he can't get a clean easy shoot to follow the 8 behind the 10.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
I would shoot the 10 ball by hitting the right tit of the pocket first and going in to the 10 ball. The natural carom of the 10 ball to the short rail, then lower long rail for shape to shoot the 13 in the upper right corner. Use a little left English.
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Here is what that shot looks like on a 9-foot table (Virtual Pool 4):


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Here is an interesting safe if your speed control is OK ;):

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And the result:

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easy-e said:
How about thinning the 13 so it only moves a couple of inches to its left, while sending the cue ball down towards the corner? Might be easy enough to execute.
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Might be close to a scratch depending on exactly how the balls are sitting. I'm not sure I have the exact position, but it's pretty close to the OP and the thin shot doesn't get the 13 to a rail while the cue ball goes pretty close to the corner.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Might be close to a scratch depending on exactly how the balls are sitting. I'm not sure I have the exact position, but it's pretty close to the OP and the thin shot doesn't get the 13 to a rail while the cue ball goes pretty close to the corner.
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Very valid points. Knowing my own capabilities, I'd be more comfortable playing my safety than controlling both balls. I still say that offense is the way to go here.
 
Too many ways out.

I'm surprised by all the discussion around this out. I set it up two nights ago and have shot it different ways that have been described.

They all are pretty easy outs. The only real trouble I ran into was when I started with the 10 and failed to get draw due a poor stroke or miscue. That would hook me behind the 8.

Starting with the 13 in the side occasionally left a tough shot on the 8 because of the "jawed" 10 but was always able to make it.

What was surprisingly easy was starting with the 10 coming off the right cushion.

The bank was awful. maybe that's due to my banking ability. I didn't even try the safe route.

Maybe that's why so much discussion. Multiple ways are good.
 
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