8ball bar rules by region
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"One thing: where does the CB go after scratch?" The incoming player shoots from the kitchen and cannot shoot directly at any object ball inside the kitchen.
Absolutely these rules are a good way to get arguments and fights started. But so far nothing has gotten out of hand at that particular bar - during the tournament. The "honest effort" rule is actually impossible to enforce.
Absolutely these rules are a good way to get arguments and fights started. But so far nothing has gotten out of hand at that particular bar - during the tournament. The "honest effort" rule is actually impossible to enforce.
Yeah same here, our rules also have several holes which could be exploited, but we all tend to play fair and not "abuse" those imperfections. For example, there's nothing in our rules preventing you to scratch directly (without touching other balls or at least the rails) and intentionally in order to block your opponent in some situations. If we put a punishment there, then the guys who scratch directly because of simple mistake (happens even to better players here, and we have many beginners as well) would get into to much trouble. So we have an "agreement" not to scratch intentionally and there's no problem. In a tournament, however, one would need to make a few minor changes in the rules, especially if money is on the line.
Scratching intentionally is unsportsmanlike conduct... penalty= loss of game..
You should really learn the rules
Breaking scenarios
PnP,
What are the various breaking scenarios that your regional rules allow ? This could include apex break vs. 2nd ball, etc. , minimum # of balls to hit a rail, style or breaking technique, breaking cues ?. Any information about the break, etc. Thanks.
PnP,
What are the various breaking scenarios that your regional rules allow ? This could include apex break vs. 2nd ball, etc. , minimum # of balls to hit a rail, style or breaking technique, breaking cues ?. Any information about the break, etc. Thanks.
I guess that would fall under technique ? I will let the O.P. field that one. 
8 ball bar rules by region
I had to respond, I've giggled enough at the thread title....I'll insert my words of wisdom.
When you combine the word rules with Bar....one will soon realize, there's Usually one dominate Alpha pool playing gambler in each and every honky tonk. Every bar is it's own region/eco system, from block to block, from town town and city to city. The dominate alpha pool player sets the house rules that can and do change during play to enable his/her ego or wallet.
I had to respond, I've giggled enough at the thread title....I'll insert my words of wisdom.
When you combine the word rules with Bar....one will soon realize, there's Usually one dominate Alpha pool playing gambler in each and every honky tonk. Every bar is it's own region/eco system, from block to block, from town town and city to city. The dominate alpha pool player sets the house rules that can and do change during play to enable his/her ego or wallet.
In what rule set is that specified as unsportsmanlike conduct?
I don' remember seeing it and how is it different from taking any other kind of intentional foulf??
WPA rules show the following for Unsportsmanlike conduct
6.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct
The normal penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct is the same as for a serious foul, but the referee may impose a penalty depending on his judgment of the conduct. Among other penalties possible are a warning; a standard-foul penalty, which will count as part of a three-foul sequence if applicable; a serious-foul penalty; loss of a rack, set or match; ejection from the competition possibly with forfeiture of all prizes, trophies and standings points.
Unsportsmanlike conduct is any intentional behavior that brings disrepute to the sport or which disrupts or changes the game to the extent that it cannot be played fairly. It includes
(a) distracting the opponent;
(b) changing the position of the balls in play other than by a shot;
(c) playing a shot by intentionally miscuing;
(d) continuing to play after a foul has been called or play has been suspended;
(e) practicing during a match;
(f) marking the table;
(g) delay of the game; and
(h) using equipment inappropriately.
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As someone else's said, scratching intentionally has nothing to do with unsportsmanlike conduct, even in standard rules. And I told you we DON'T scratch on purpose, it happens only unintentionally. There's no need for us to change the rules because we know how to play fair, and we never play for money.
Well, you have to shoot from the kitchen area, and there are basically no requirements at all. My friends and I only use the requirement for the CB to cross the center of the table, but that could vary as well. Basically, almost everything is allowed when breaking. Any cues you would normally use, any technique and any outcome regarding the movement of the balls. And yeah, one time I did use something similar to a RAM shot if I'm not wrong :duck:
Normally, I wouldn't respond to the thread anymore but this just doesn't make sense. Taking an intentional foul is accepted strategy in Straight Pool and One Pocket. It was in other games until the nonsense about ball in hand anywhere. Some of this "unsportsmanlike" crap makes about as much sense as forfeiting a match if you unscrew your cue, supposedly a sharking move. If my unscrewing my cue sharks you, you need to quit pool and take up checkers. Just sayin......
If you don't want to interact with bar bangers, then why go to a bar and play pool in the first place ???? Then come on here with your derogatory badmouthing of barbangers.
If the bar banger rules are to tough for you to enjoy, what ever they are, then you might think about not playing pool in bars.
I've played in bars and pool rooms for 50 + yrs and there are really no standardized rules, except in tournaments, all players have their desired set of rules they play by, rules vary from room to room, from player to player.
I just like playing pool, I don't give a rats behind what the rules are as long as they are the same for me and whoever I'm playing.
Variety is the spice of life !
Dale
If the bar banger rules are to tough for you to enjoy, what ever they are, then you might think about not playing pool in bars.
I've played in bars and pool rooms for 50 + yrs and there are really no standardized rules, except in tournaments, all players have their desired set of rules they play by, rules vary from room to room, from player to player.
I just like playing pool, I don't give a rats behind what the rules are as long as they are the same for me and whoever I'm playing.
Variety is the spice of life !
Dale
I want the exact opposite, I like bangers, I'm a banger myself and I love bar rules. I find them challenging but fun and good to play by, not too difficult. I also like the rule variety, and I'd personally enjoy trying out some other variants of 8 ball, that's why I made the thread in the first place.
Normally, I wouldn't respond to the thread anymore but this just doesn't make sense. Taking an intentional foul is accepted strategy in Straight Pool and One Pocket.
It's actually fine in pretty much all games, unsportsmanlike conduct is only called for some intentional fouls. They had to make a loss-of-game rule about stuff that should be common sense. Like I can't just use my cue stick to rake 10 balls near my hole in 1 pocket, then say "ok -1 for fouling, your shot."
Some of this "unsportsmanlike" crap makes about as much sense as forfeiting a match if you unscrew your cue, supposedly a sharking move. If my unscrewing my cue sharks you, you need to quit pool and take up checkers. Just sayin......
They didn't like wing balls flying in on the break in 9b. So they banned breaking from the corners.
Why? Because it works.
They don't like people using unscrewing as a shark move.
Why? Because it works.
Saying "it shouldn't work" doesn't change the fact that it does work.
And you have zero reason to do it unless you're conceding the match anyway...
or intentionally trying to shark the other player, which is by definition unsportsmanlike.
I played in Toronto years ago, was gambling with someone (small, $5 a game) and while playing 8 ball shot my solid in but the cue ball continued around the table and bumped in his stripe. I went to shoot again and was told it was a foul - not a ball in hand foul, but loss of turn. Wasn't worth arguing about, and someone else in the room agreed when I asked them later about it. Weird...
Also, was at someone's house over the weekend, they had a table and some geezer was watching my kids play, having no idea that I was one of the top players in the area. He was a league player and "tournament" player and was talking himself up.
My son broke 9-ball, scratched, and the guys starts hollering that he lost the game, it was his turn to get up. I asked him what he was talking about. He said scratch on the break in 9-ball is loss of game. New one for me... I was mostly quiet, but got him to let my kid finish the game (normally). When it was my turn - I grabbed a 45" shorty cue off the rack (the only cue with a decent tip) and beat his brains in until he got tired of watching and left...
Scott
Also, was at someone's house over the weekend, they had a table and some geezer was watching my kids play, having no idea that I was one of the top players in the area. He was a league player and "tournament" player and was talking himself up.
My son broke 9-ball, scratched, and the guys starts hollering that he lost the game, it was his turn to get up. I asked him what he was talking about. He said scratch on the break in 9-ball is loss of game. New one for me... I was mostly quiet, but got him to let my kid finish the game (normally). When it was my turn - I grabbed a 45" shorty cue off the rack (the only cue with a decent tip) and beat his brains in until he got tired of watching and left...
Scott
Does it work on you? It's never worked on me and on very few people I know.
Players who have problems like that should play only in a bar regularly for a few months and soon they'll become immune to anything
Well pushout, you got push'n'pool to agree with you.
That definitely tells you your thinking must be correct and adds some weight to your case
OK but seriously. Virtually everybody I've ever met who claims to be shark-proof, isn't.
Nobody on the forums like to admit it. They'll own up to stroke flaws or losing their temper
but you rarely see anyone just openly say "yeah, little moves like that throw me off and can cause me to miss".
I don't think that's because only a small handful of people are affected by these moves.
I think it's just embarrassing to admit. Lots of people are affected, but they
claim otherwise because they don't want to encourage anyone to use it against them.
The rule is there to discourage people from making sleazy little moves to distract the player.
Whether you think a particular move is effective or not... doesn't change the fact that sharking should be discouraged.
That definitely tells you your thinking must be correct and adds some weight to your case
OK but seriously. Virtually everybody I've ever met who claims to be shark-proof, isn't.
Nobody on the forums like to admit it. They'll own up to stroke flaws or losing their temper
but you rarely see anyone just openly say "yeah, little moves like that throw me off and can cause me to miss".
I don't think that's because only a small handful of people are affected by these moves.
I think it's just embarrassing to admit. Lots of people are affected, but they
claim otherwise because they don't want to encourage anyone to use it against them.
The rule is there to discourage people from making sleazy little moves to distract the player.
Whether you think a particular move is effective or not... doesn't change the fact that sharking should be discouraged.
Normally, I wouldn't respond to the thread anymore but this just doesn't make sense. Taking an intentional foul is accepted strategy in Straight Pool and One Pocket. It was in other games until the nonsense about ball in hand anywhere. Some of this "unsportsmanlike" crap makes about as much sense as forfeiting a match if you unscrew your cue, supposedly a sharking move. If my unscrewing my cue sharks you, you need to quit pool and take up checkers. Just sayin......
If you take apart your cue in the middle of your opponent shooting you are basically saying "I'm done playing". Same thing as approaching the table when someone is shooting at the last ball.
I like the getting up and starting to walk to the table but stopping half way there to wait till I shoot move.
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