9 Ball Roll Out Situation

skogstokig said:
nope, perfectly not legal. that's why you have to spot/owe a ball after doing so
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not in poolrooms of the past. if cue ball went in or off as well it was a foul. but if you knocked just an object ball off the table it got spotted.
either then if your inning was over or after if it wasn't and you made another ball on that shot.

it was perfectly legal to shoot and knock any balls or ball off the table if needed. often shot the ball in his hole and sent the cue ball flying, so both got spotted.

standard shot when both need one and he had it in front of his hole.
 
Island Drive said:
It's confusing to me, but the WPA rules are written as such to seeming allow this.
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Where is it written that allows this?

You said that and then I posted the WPA rules that indicate it's a foul. If there is a rule that I missed that allows this please post it because I didn't see it.

Just because one ref said it's not a foul doesn't mean he's correct, people make errors.
 
yes bill, its possible it can come up in rotation but so rarely and few can launch the object ball off the table and control the cue ball so as to not leave a shot.
you were good enough but not many can or would even think about doing that.
 
Often in niner the shooter will make the 9 if it's close to the pocket for a respot.
But if the shooter didn't plan that/instead, hit a couple balls hard near the rail it could go off table.
A fluke but I know that definitely could happen.
Might be a rule to implement, we all know it will happen.
 
Island Drive said:
I break, make a ball I call push out but my push out choice is this.
I bank the 9 ball off table for it to be respotted, now it's incoming players turn.

I thought so zar, but Tom (50 yrs refereeing) also said this in conjunction with my question.
On the Break, if the 8 ball goes off table it's not loss of game.

maha.
Picture this.
Two balls are tied up on the foot spot.
You broke/made a ball have a clear shot at the 9 and call roll out.
Instead, your roll out choice is to bank/ launch the 9 off table for it to respot behind the foot spot ball cluster.

It's confusing to me, but the WPA rules are written as such to seeming allow this.
Sounds like a shot Efren would pull off.

I'd like to hear Jewetts viewpoint on this matter.
Also, 50 yrs reffing 8 ball off table Toms said he' never seen that happen but I'm sure it will, someday somewhere.
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You do realize you will be asked to shoot again?
 
Island Drive said:
I break, make a ball I call push out but my push out choice is this.
I bank the 9 ball off table for it to be respotted, now it's incoming players turn.

I thought so zar, but Tom (50 yrs refereeing) also said this in conjunction with my question.
On the Break, if the 8 ball goes off table it's not loss of game.

maha.
Picture this.
Two balls are tied up on the foot spot.
You broke/made a ball have a clear shot at the 9 and call roll out.
Instead, your roll out choice is to bank/ launch the 9 off table for it to respot behind the foot spot ball cluster.

It's confusing to me, but the WPA rules are written as such to seeming allow this.
Sounds like a shot Efren would pull off.

I'd like to hear Jewetts viewpoint on this matter.
Also, 50 yrs reffing 8 ball off table Toms said he' never seen that happen but I'm sure it will, someday somewhere.
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Get this straight: i don't know this 'Tom' character nor do i give a shit what he has to say.
 
No one is following because your initial post is unclear. Do you mean the 9 was knocked off the table onto the floor and out the door? If so, that is 100% a foul, even if a push is called.

If you mean the 9 was knocked off the table by pocketing it normally into a pocket, then it spots, and normal push-out rules apply to the incoming player.
 
iusedtoberich said:
No one is following because your initial post is unclear. Do you mean the 9 was knocked off the table onto the floor and out the door? If so, that is 100% a foul, even if a push is called.

If you mean the 9 was knocked off the table by pocketing it normally into a pocket, then it spots, and normal push-out rules apply to the incoming player.
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Pocketed and knocked off the table are two clearly different things. I feel ur pain, Bill is a cool cat but sometimes i feel i need a translator.
 
Another situation where the actual rule is directly contrary to what some people, even experienced people, say it is or think it is. Amazing what’s in the rule book sometimes.
 
JPB2 said:
Another situation where the actual rule is directly contrary to what some people, even experienced people, say it is or think it is. Amazing what’s in the rule book sometimes.
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The rules are GIN CLEAR on this, unlike a lot of what ID tries to say.
 
written rules or even the unwritten ones are usually not done by those that consider all the possibilities so are not clear for all situations.
 
Rules are in constant change especially since the game is evolving, it's just simple question I asked a man who's been reffing over 50 yrs, and he gave me his opinion.
But if the breaker said roll out, then decided to bank the 9 to another area of the table, then it hit a ball and went off table I'd think it was a foul, but the rules don't state it in that situation its is a foul, it seems to be treated the same as shooting the 9 in the hole and letting your opponent make his decision.
 
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