9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt1
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Why does everyone feel compelled to shoot the 6 in the side???
this is how i'd play it, is about the same as everyone else. and whith playing for that position on the 7 and you float alittle too far, you still have the draw avaiable. and same goes for the 8
Easiest route. Since the majority is suggesting this way, it might mean something.Craig Fales said:
My standard guidelines include not playing a straight draw shot with bal-in-hand. The speed control is the toughest with the straight draw when coming from the chair. That's handwaving, but it's seems to hold true for most people.
Fred
JoeyA said:
Don't drag the end of the line outside the table. That is, when you make your triangle, pick the ball (e.g, the 14-ball) and drag the ball outside the table.
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Craig Fales said:
To add to Cornerman's comments regarding drawing back from the six ball, I would say that aside from whether one prefers to follow or draw the ball, basic positional principles make the side pocket the better shot. Now you and I are agreed on the proper position zone for the seven ball, but the difference is that going forward to the side rail and out is playing down the line shape, thus giving me a wide margin of speeds in which I will be perfectly in line. As such, making the shot and getting the right angle for the seven becomes just about a 100% proposition.
In contrast, if one draws uptable off the six it will look real fancy and might impress your date, but you will be sending the cue ball across the position zone with much less margin for error. When you're playing with big money on the line and that adrenaline starts flowing, it is SO easy to overstroke that ball and leave yourself tough on the seven when there really was no reason to. Then the player will spend the next however long telling his friends and supporters that, "I hit it too good."
I know. I've been there--trying to explain how "hitting it too good" caused my hill-hill loss for large stacks when the truth was that I lost the game in my head by playing the wrong shot. Remember, it's all about making the game easy and playing the percentages!
Edit: BTW, I suspect that drawing for position in that situation might get you even more action that Hal's shot did!
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Craig Fales said:
It is far easier to obtain the needed shape on the seven ball (more consistently) if you shoot the six in the bottom side with straight follow and slight offset. Also less chance of missing the 6 ball, since you do not need to put side English or draw.
JoeyA
My theory was that give yourself a good outside angle on the 6 and just a tap back draw to get the 7...you could over or under stroke the follow shot in the side aswell...BTW that would be my second option it depends on which side of the table I was on so I didn't have to walk around...
Craig Fales said:
If you mean overstroking the cue ball into the side "pocket" - no - That's why you don't line up straight in on the 6 ball and set up with a little offset to prevent that from happening. If you overstroke you get a little closer to the 7 ball because you are going at it from the rail. If you under stroke it the worse that could happen is you leave the cue ball close to the rail but because you have an angle on the 7 ball to get an angle on the 8 ball to get top the 9 ball easily you have no problem.
Another question to ask yourself is How often do you miscue drawing the cue ball versus hitting the cue ball one tip above center?
Joeya
Thanks for your inputs
Thanks everyone for sharing their insights. Especially the post from VIProffessor about Playing Shape. It is very educational.
It seems that most of the people would agree that the most sensible way to shoot this is shoot the 6 into the side, follow the CB down to the long rail and into the zone.
This doesn't mean the shots from Hal or Craig are wrong. People can have their preferences: some like follow shots; some like draw shots. We just have to learn the reason behind our decisions, at least in our pool game. And, remember, this is just an exercise... actually, Part 1 of an exercise...
I have made a few small changes and started a new thread. Let's move on and see if we will do something different there...
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9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt2
Thanks everyone for sharing their insights. Especially the post from VIProffessor about Playing Shape. It is very educational.
It seems that most of the people would agree that the most sensible way to shoot this is shoot the 6 into the side, follow the CB down to the long rail and into the zone.
This doesn't mean the shots from Hal or Craig are wrong. People can have their preferences: some like follow shots; some like draw shots. We just have to learn the reason behind our decisions, at least in our pool game. And, remember, this is just an exercise... actually, Part 1 of an exercise...
I have made a few small changes and started a new thread. Let's move on and see if we will do something different there...
Click to go to
9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt2
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hrm, I believe in the theory that there's a single right way to play a shot in terms of chances of success. =)
You could probably boil it down mathematically, using the angle of the cut, the angle of approach to the target zone, the speed of the stroke required, the amount of sidespin required, and the room for error. Maybe a good job for Mr. Jewett, he already has a method for calculating the difficulty of any cut.
Anyway I think there's a right way to do this one, tho some shots are a little more debatable. Hope I don't seem too argumentative, it's just that I've seen people develop bad habits and patterns and say "well it's just a different style". There are definite good reasons for picking one path over the other.
You could probably boil it down mathematically, using the angle of the cut, the angle of approach to the target zone, the speed of the stroke required, the amount of sidespin required, and the room for error. Maybe a good job for Mr. Jewett, he already has a method for calculating the difficulty of any cut.
Anyway I think there's a right way to do this one, tho some shots are a little more debatable. Hope I don't seem too argumentative, it's just that I've seen people develop bad habits and patterns and say "well it's just a different style". There are definite good reasons for picking one path over the other.
No, that's not what I meant either...give yourself an outside angle to run down to the 7 and if you're feeling the pressure one could go to long or short...I haven't miscued in years...no bull..JoeyA said:
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