9 Ball: What Do You Do Here - Dec 30 #3
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sjm said:
Make the 1, leaving the CB by the corner pocket. Then I play the 2 into the rail side of the 5 and leave the CB frozen on the 6 & 7. This knocks the 5 & 2 both out of there. Because of the angle the 2 will come out, it should be far enough away from the 9 to make the kick-combo close to impossible. This opens up the table if you opponent makes the hit and possibly sets up an easy combo if he does not.
Cheers,
RC
Thanks for these SJM, I enjoy them.
I would be tempted to make the one and play position for, a carom off the two, into a three rail kick to the eight nine combination. I would definitely want to be the first to go for the nine.sjm said:
Tracy
I would play it like this:
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%At1[6%Bk2Z3%CJ5O4%DL7N1%Ee3Z5%Fg2W7%Gf2Y6%HE1Z3%ID2Z8%JK6M5
%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%Ph5P6%Q]2L5%Ur9N0%Vk6Y7%Wj7Y2
%Xh6Q4%[f9Z8%\j4Z3%eC4b0%__2L6%`m4C9%as3L6
)END
Make the one and leave myself even or a little low on the 2, making sure not to hook myself behind the cluster. Hit the ball medium firm and almost full, with a little low right, sending the 2 ball 3 rails out to the middle of the table, and ducking behind the 5/7. If I have nudged the 5, the 7 will prevent the 2 rail kick on the 2 (the same path it took on the safety), and then I can play the easy combo on the 2/8/9. It should also prevent them from comboing in the 8/9 on me with the 5, if I am frozen on it. (If they think I will have to run out instead.)
Even if they hit it and I DON'T get BIH, I am the favorite to figure something out on the next shot.
SJM, thanks for these little situations. I am not that good with the Wei table, and I tried to reconfigure it as closely as I could to your setup, but I'm wondering if you could post the original Wei table instructions, so that all we need to do is paste it into a new table and work from your exact layout? Maybe it was possible to do already, but I just don't know how. Thanks!
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%At1[6%Bk2Z3%CJ5O4%DL7N1%Ee3Z5%Fg2W7%Gf2Y6%HE1Z3%ID2Z8%JK6M5
%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%Ph5P6%Q]2L5%Ur9N0%Vk6Y7%Wj7Y2
%Xh6Q4%[f9Z8%\j4Z3%eC4b0%__2L6%`m4C9%as3L6
)END
Make the one and leave myself even or a little low on the 2, making sure not to hook myself behind the cluster. Hit the ball medium firm and almost full, with a little low right, sending the 2 ball 3 rails out to the middle of the table, and ducking behind the 5/7. If I have nudged the 5, the 7 will prevent the 2 rail kick on the 2 (the same path it took on the safety), and then I can play the easy combo on the 2/8/9. It should also prevent them from comboing in the 8/9 on me with the 5, if I am frozen on it. (If they think I will have to run out instead.)
Even if they hit it and I DON'T get BIH, I am the favorite to figure something out on the next shot.
SJM, thanks for these little situations. I am not that good with the Wei table, and I tried to reconfigure it as closely as I could to your setup, but I'm wondering if you could post the original Wei table instructions, so that all we need to do is paste it into a new table and work from your exact layout? Maybe it was possible to do already, but I just don't know how. Thanks!
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i like pocket the one leaving cb by the corner. kick the 2 off the rail and play cb safe behind the cluster...
Not being sure that the 2 ball passes between the rail and the 5, I would pocket the one with high right english and attempt to hit the cluster off of the 6 and 7. I should have a shot at the two ball in the corner, and if I pushed the 5 ball some up table and off of the rail, I may have a good shot at the dead 9.
I would make the one ball, go two rails and make the nine on the same shot. That may seem dumb, but it is a pretty high percentage shot for anyone who has played a little 3-cushion. If I don't make the nine, I would then knock the nine in and then give the opponent ball in hand and see what he could do with the mess. I seriously doubt he would run the rack from there and the easy combo is gone. I don't like the other suggestions that have you rolling the two ball out for a safe, because unless you freeze the cue ball up they could easily jump shot the combo in.
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I would play the one in the corner, pocket weight with a trace of high inside english, leaving the cue ball just below the two, and as close to the rail as possible. Then I would thin the two with some left english, pushing the two behind the five and the seven, and moving the cue ball one rail toward the eight-nine. If I make the combo, great. If not, my opponent is wired SOLID. I've had pretty good success in situations like this playing it this way.
sjm said:
Cut the 1 in and send the cue ball one rail in between the 6-7.
Interesting, can you describe how to hit the one ball to make this 3C shot?cueman said:
Thanks,
Tracy
The choices I like best are 1) RSB-Refugee's shot to play the three rail carom off of the two, a shot that will usually leave the two safe, and 2) Crown city Corey's shot is superb, as well. It should lead to a win nearly all of the time. Thanks for the responses.
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sjm said:
Do you mean the two rail carom off the 2? (I suppose it could contact another rail down by the 9.
)I like it too.
rackmsuckr said:Do you mean the two rail carom off the 2? (I suppose it could contact another rail down by the 9.
I like it too.
I'm referring to caroming off the left edge of the two (imagine the shot with the cue ball on the head spot), leaving the two parked under the cluster, and sending the cue ball three rails to make the nine. The cue ball might hit a fourth rail, but will always hit at least three.
sjm said:
Oh duh, I am an idiot. I meant the 2 railer off the ONE. Yes, that is indeed THREE rails.
cueman said:
I would play the same shot, even if I missed making the nine.
From the looks of the layout, it seems like you can play side rail first(rail next to the two ball) with left hand english, pocket the one or at least hit it, then cue ball hits the top rail, opposite side rail and back cross table for the 8/9, Similiar shot to a 3 rail bank making the 9 in this layout, but you add the make or kiss off the 1 ball. Cueman might call it differently though.
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I would ...
1) Make the one, and take cue up between 6-7, bump on 7 would push 5
to the long rail..
2) Shoot 2 and get shape for 5 in same corner pocket.
3) Shoot 5 in the corner, get shape on 6, which shouldn't be hard.
4) Run out 6, and 7, and tap 8 to make the 9.
The problem with some of the carom or rail shots, is if you miss, or just slightly, even though your opponent might not have a good shot, they might have a good safety, and therefore, you would end being disadvantaged from
winning the game. I feel that if you are a good runout player, that you should depend on it first, and that your odds are better.
If you fail to get proper shape, or a ball is not makeable, then you can still think about a kick or carom or a safety.
1) Make the one, and take cue up between 6-7, bump on 7 would push 5
to the long rail..
2) Shoot 2 and get shape for 5 in same corner pocket.
3) Shoot 5 in the corner, get shape on 6, which shouldn't be hard.
4) Run out 6, and 7, and tap 8 to make the 9.
The problem with some of the carom or rail shots, is if you miss, or just slightly, even though your opponent might not have a good shot, they might have a good safety, and therefore, you would end being disadvantaged from
winning the game. I feel that if you are a good runout player, that you should depend on it first, and that your odds are better.
If you fail to get proper shape, or a ball is not makeable, then you can still think about a kick or carom or a safety.
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I've seen proposition like shot this before. You make the 1ball stay behind the two jump stroke whitey land ontop of the 2 bounce off it go down table an pocket 9ball with combination off 8ball. Any of you guys do that I'd say plenty.
Pinocchio
I've seen proposition like shot this before. You make the 1ball stay behind the two jump stroke whitey land ontop of the 2 bounce off it go down table an pocket 9ball with combination off 8ball. Any of you guys do that I'd say plenty.
Pinocchio
I basically like Corey's choice. But I would do it slightly different. I make about a 1/3 ball hit on the 1-ball using high left (yes, left). This will make the cueball hook around the 2-ball ensuring I don't hit it. That little hook makes it less likely I'd hit the wrong side of the 6-ball, too. Ideally, I'd miss the 6 and go into the 5/7 for safe position on the 2-ball.
Shoot low left hand english to make the cueball pocket the one, go into the end rail beside the one, then hit the side rail and go down table for the 8/9 combo. If it comes up short it might hit a third rail before hitting the combo. That is really a big target you have down there. If you want to run out Corey's shot is best, but I think too much can go wrong when the cueball touches the 6 and 7.RSB-Refugee said: