Common knowledge i think, some wheres around 30%.
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Common knowledge i think, some wheres around 30%.
Percentages and statistics with inflated claims about things =/= common knowledge
When Efren won almost 600 grand in the IPT tournament, he was only break and running 16.9% in the first tourney and 20.35% in the second.
With ball-in-hand, less pressure and an easier table I'll give you some points. That's a different game though, and i'm giving stats on the guy who beat out everyone else for the money :grin:
Definitely not an average
ya its a 6 x 3 table, my bad.
Can you say which page he said this on (assuming it's in his book) or exactly what he said? I have no idea what "runs", "set", or "games" mean in this context. Was he writing specifically about nine ball?
And while your at it, ask em what ''average'' means. In my experience this description of average seems to apply to Top pros in a race to 11 or 9, more likely 11 on average.:thumbup:
If you take a bar box player that runs out 25% of the time with bih after the break, when he tries this on the 9 footers he mite not run 1 rack all nite, Thats the difference from the little table to the big table!
yes, i need to get my copy back from somebody that i let borrow it. i will post the page that its on asarp. his description is as vague as mine if i remember right
If there's any question about how often pros run out 9 ball from the break, there's a wealth of stats in the old accustats magazines:
http://www.azbilliards.com/accustats/
Basically, among the strong tournament players from the late eighties, the field's average B&R percentage was always right around 20%. The best player of the tournament might hit 30-35%.
This includes dry breaks.
After a ball falls, the field's average goes to around 30-35%.
With ball in hand, the average is surprisingly only around 65%. So beating the 9b ghost in a longer race is a big deal for any aspiring player.
I dunno what Hancher was saying, but 4 runouts out of 11 breaks would be 36%, which is the kind of average guys like efren and sigel were managing. Technically that falls within the definition of "better than average" but I'd say if anyone wants to know if they're better than average, see how they fare against the ghost.
http://www.azbilliards.com/accustats/
Basically, among the strong tournament players from the late eighties, the field's average B&R percentage was always right around 20%. The best player of the tournament might hit 30-35%.
This includes dry breaks.
After a ball falls, the field's average goes to around 30-35%.
With ball in hand, the average is surprisingly only around 65%. So beating the 9b ghost in a longer race is a big deal for any aspiring player.
I dunno what Hancher was saying, but 4 runouts out of 11 breaks would be 36%, which is the kind of average guys like efren and sigel were managing. Technically that falls within the definition of "better than average" but I'd say if anyone wants to know if they're better than average, see how they fare against the ghost.
This is what I was looking for, thanks a ton Creedo.
Evanlockhart,
The IPT format was 8 ball. And the final tournament first place winnings was $500,000, Rodney Morris came in 2nd.
The IPT format was 8 ball. And the final tournament first place winnings was $500,000, Rodney Morris came in 2nd.
Thanks for reiterating what I already said
There was more than one IPT tourney, and Efren cashed in both of therm - over 500K total.
The IPT had four events before it went to the small streamed video events: the "Pan-sexual World Invitational Championship of Eight-Ball Pool" between Mike and Loree John at Mandalay Bay, the King of the Hill event in Orlando which Efren won, the tournament at the Venetian (Hohman won), and the tournament at the Grand Sierra in Reno which Efren won. On paper, Efren won $700,000 in the two events he won, but I've heard that some savers were in place.
Wikipedia is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Pool_Tour