Is it possible to cut backwards (I assume that means more than 90°) with inside? It could be that he's just using the margin of error from the pocket size.
90+ degree cut shot
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Is it possible to cut backwards (I assume that means more than 90°) with inside? It could be that he's just using the margin of error from the pocket size.
The inside causes enough deflection to make a SUPER thin hit. I saw Buddy make a similar shot years ago and i asked him how the hell he made. This is how.
It appears you played that with a level cue (no swerve) and extreme outside english? Some here have said that shot can be made with extreme inside english with the deflection and then resulting swerve of the cue ball giving you a little less angle coming in to the edge of the object ball, but I would think that would be extremely difficult to pull off that way.
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They did appear to be ball first extreme inside spin cuts on all 3 shots, based on the angle the CB came off the cushion back towards the corner. If they were hit rail first, the CB would have rebounded straight across the table as opposed to headed towards the corner.
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Sure but that's still just a thin cut shot. It should be the same effect as just hitting center ball but aiming a little thinner.
I know what the video looks like, but I don't see how, using inside, you can cut more than 90°, like Bob did in his video. Outside throws the ball to create an even greater cut. Inside should if anything throw it in the wrong direction. I would think, to make a true "backwards" 90°+ cut, you'd need to use outside.
In that video, it's definitely more than 90°. But it could be 1) using the margin of error that the rail creates, and/or 2) despite what it sounds like, it could be hitting the rail first, or hitting the ball first and then the rail and then the ball again. I don't know, but it doesn't seem possible otherwise.
Inside could also curve the cue ball, creating more angle, but I don't think that's happening in this video at that speed.
Well, as "I" being the player in the video, and have demonstrated this in many clinics I have done around the country, you fell on the right answer in your last sentence!
Three cushion players are far more adapt at applying extreme English for extreme effects on the CB! This is a case of knowing how to executing a, 'slight curve' on the CB and making it effect the angle the CB goes into the OB that is frozen on the cushion form severe angles at a short distance! This is why 3C players adhere to the axiom, "There is more than ONE stroke to get certain effects on the CB!"
Let also address the, 'Common sense' aspect of using, 'Inside English' for extreme cut shots. When you apply, inside English you have a, 'aiming reference' with the, 'outside edge' of the tip to the edge of the OB!' It's really knowing how to control the, 'slow curve' without force! You can NOT create the angle the CB came off the 1st rail by contacting rail-first!
I assume the object balls were frozen.
I think it's impossible to tell from the sound which was struck first. Among other problems, there is no guarantee that sound is synchronized with video.
If the last shot, which was over 90 degrees, was struck ball-before-rail the cue ball also hit the object ball after it contacted the cushion.
Try the same shot in the open table: put the cue ball on the head spot, the object ball on the center spot and show any amount of movement directly towards the side pocket with inside spin and a level stroke.
That is not true if the cue ball is still in the cushion when it hits the object ball. In that case the side spin will continue to work after the object ball leaves. I think there's lots of supporting video on Dr. Dave's site.
So, YOU are admitting,"I" hit the OB so thin first with Inside English, that it hardly moved, and then the CB in a micro-millisecond came off the rail and contacted the OB again into the pocket and the CB came across the table 1 cushion to the short rail?
Are you guys doing, science or science fiction on the west coast? :rotflmao1:
I will bet, $5,000.00 YOU can NOT make the last shot I played in the video with, OUTSIDE English to cut the OB backward into the pocket!
I will post the money with a person of both are choice!
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Many supporting videos and additional info (illustrations, articles, explanations) on this topic are available here:
rail cut shot resource page
Enjoy,
Dave
Actually, I expressed no opinion about whether ball or cushion was struck first on any of those shots. I don't know which was struck first.
Can you do the shot I described above with both balls away from the cushion?
My challenge is the same to YOU Dave! Just make the last shot in my video with OUTSIDE English! For $5,000! I will give YOU a reasonable amount of tries! Or, I will shoot it with YOU or BOB, shot for shot for $5,000! First one to make it, takes down the CASH!
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I can make the shot in YOUR video, with INSIDE English for $,5000!
I'll shoot YOUR shot with YOU, shot for shot. YOU using OUTSIDE English and I will use INSIDE!
With the same token, WE will play MY shot, YOU will use OUTSIDE English and I will use INSIDE! For $5,000!