A Different Take on the World 14.1

Steve Lipsky

On quest for perfect 14.1
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I just got back from the tournament and wanted to present a different viewpoint. Charlie Williams, Randy Goldwater, Cindy Lee, and the rest of Dragon brought 14.1 back in grand style, and I wish they were getting more praise for their efforts.

We got a beautiful tournament format, which allowed for some tremendous matchups. I think the round-robin portion had 224 separate games, and I would guess that at least a quarter of those were on the "marquee" level; games the spectators would really appreciate. Even a conservative estimate might provide for 40 or 50 awesome matchups in this round alone.

Games like Hopkins against Engert were incredible. The old guard versus the new. You might expect the older Hopkins to fold under the pressure of playing a machine like Engert, but what does he do? He runs a hundred-plus balls on him. I remember watching that match and thinking to myself if the younger German contingent would even know how much of a legend Allen really is. I'm sure they know now, as he beat both Engert and Hohmann within the first three days.

We got to see: Immonen/Ortmann, Sigel/Harriman, Souquet/Sigel, Schmidt/Hohmann, Ouschan/Schmidt, Eberle/Ortmann... the list never ended. Every hour there was another match that everyone wanted to see.

As a player, we were guaranteed seven matches, with the possibility of more. One of the problems with other tournament formats is that the high cost of travel weighed against the possibility of having two bad matches and being out can be a difficult decision. But the round-robin alone made the cost of the trip worth it.

Obviously things went wrong. I'm not sure the reasoning for not having table lights over the latter half of the tables, and certainly the morning matches should have started at least an hour earlier to ease the backup.

The rain in the ballroom was ridiculous, but this cannot be blamed on Charlie or Dragon. When you rent out a large hall in an upscale hotel, you have a reasonable expectation of adequate shelter.

The only real issue I had with the tournament was the scoring. Without enough scorekeepers, the players were left to do it themselves. This was bad because it could take you out of your rhythm, but it was also bad for another reason: The Europeans, God bless them, do not know how to score straight pool. Every European I played could not score the games correctly, and at one point I figured out why. When there is a miss in the middle of the rack, the Americans wrote down how many balls were made. You know what these wacky Europeans do? They write down how many balls are left on the table! I said to Michael Felder during our first match, "With all due respect, your method does not make any sense." (lol). They also see no distinction between rack scores and total scores, meaning if they have 45 and make 6 balls in the next rack (then miss), they will update their total score to 51 in the middle of the rack. It was really a nightmare, and I'm sure it led to more than a few scoring errors if the players weren't careful. In fact, the joke among the Americans was "no wonder all these guys claim high runs in the 400s... they don't know how to score. They're probably running 80s." :D

I want to say that Michael Felder is about the nicest, funniest guy I've ever met. It was truly a pleasure playing with him. Before each of our two matches, he pulled out a picture of his newborn son to show me. He joked that it would be mean to beat him because he has to feed his kid. Then I joked back that it's probably not even his kid, that he just uses the picture to shark his opponents. Not to be bested, he retorted that if I beat him, he'd give the picture to me so I could use it for the rest of my matches. :)

I had a disappointing tournament but it wasn't surprising. I wasn't playing well in practice, and I just wasn't tournament-tough at all. I had a bunch of 40+ runs but nothing higher, and at this level, that just ain't gonna cut it. And it didn't. I got what I deserved.

Anyway, I just wanted to give a real nice thank you to Charlie, Randy, and Dragon for giving me a very fond memory and for doing such a wonderful thing for straight pool. I'll be back next year and hopefully I'll put on a better showing.

- Steve
 
I was glad to see that you got invited and it was fun refreshing the page to see how the 3 AZB'rs did (Harriman, Riley, Lipsky). Thanks for sharing your experience.:cool:
 
Steve Lipsky said:
I just got back from the tournament and wanted to present a different viewpoint. Charlie Williams, Randy Goldwater, Cindy Lee, and the rest of Dragon brought 14.1 back in grand style, and I wish they were getting more praise for their efforts.

We got a beautiful tournament format, which allowed for some tremendous matchups. I think the round-robin portion had 224 separate games, and I would guess that at least a quarter of those were on the "marquee" level; games the spectators would really appreciate. Even a conservative estimate might provide for 40 or 50 awesome matchups in this round alone.

Games like Hopkins against Engert were incredible. The old guard versus the new. You might expect the older Hopkins to fold under the pressure of playing a machine like Engert, but what does he do? He runs a hundred-plus balls on him. I remember watching that match and thinking to myself if the younger German contingent would even know how much of a legend Allen really is. I'm sure they know now, as he beat both Engert and Hohmann within the first three days.

We got to see: Immonen/Ortmann, Sigel/Harriman, Souquet/Sigel, Schmidt/Hohmann, Ouschan/Schmidt, Eberle/Ortmann... the list never ended. Every hour there was another match that everyone wanted to see.

As a player, we were guaranteed seven matches, with the possibility of more. One of the problems with other tournament formats is that the high cost of travel weighed against the possibility of having two bad matches and being out can be a difficult decision. But the round-robin alone made the cost of the trip worth it.

Obviously things went wrong. I'm not sure the reasoning for not having table lights over the latter half of the tables, and certainly the morning matches should have started at least an hour earlier to ease the backup.

The rain in the ballroom was ridiculous, but this cannot be blamed on Charlie or Dragon. When you rent out a large hall in an upscale hotel, you have a reasonable expectation of adequate shelter.

The only real issue I had with the tournament was the scoring. Without enough scorekeepers, the players were left to do it themselves. This was bad because it could take you out of your rhythm, but it was also bad for another reason: The Europeans, God bless them, do not know how to score straight pool. Every European I played could not score the games correctly, and at one point I figured out why. When there is a miss in the middle of the rack, the Americans wrote down how many balls were made. You know what these wacky Europeans do? They write down how many balls are left on the table! I said to Michael Felder during our first match, "With all due respect, your method does not make any sense." (lol). They also see no distinction between rack scores and total scores, meaning if they have 45 and make 6 balls in the next rack (then miss), they will update their total score to 51 in the middle of the rack. It was really a nightmare, and I'm sure it led to more than a few scoring errors if the players weren't careful. In fact, the joke among the Americans was "no wonder all these guys claim high runs in the 400s... they don't know how to score. They're probably running 80s." :D

I want to say that Michael Felder is about the nicest, funniest guy I've ever met. It was truly a pleasure playing with him. Before each of our two matches, he pulled out a picture of his newborn son to show me. He joked that it would be mean to beat him because he has to feed his kid. Then I joked back that it's probably not even his kid, that he just uses the picture to shark his opponents. Not to be bested, he retorted that if I beat him, he'd give the picture to me so I could use it for the rest of my matches. :)

I had a disappointing tournament but it wasn't surprising. I wasn't playing well in practice, and I just wasn't tournament-tough at all. I had a bunch of 40+ runs but nothing higher, and at this level, that just ain't gonna cut it. And it didn't. I got what I deserved.

Anyway, I just wanted to give a real nice thank you to Charlie, Randy, and Dragon for giving me a very fond memory and for doing such a wonderful thing for straight pool. I'll be back next year and hopefully I'll put on a better showing.

- Steve

Tap-tap-tap.

Charlie Williams had his hands full with this one. Despite all the pressures of promoting back to back events, Charlie has still managed to make it into the round of 16. That is amazing.

Cindy is the hardest working person I have ever seen. She never stops. She is extremely dedicated to the players and she puts in 20 hour days sometimes.

I think you did very well Steve. You played against the greatest players in the world in a historic event that has brought the game we love back to the spotlight. Thank you Randy, Charlie, and Cindy - but thanks to the greatest players in the world that make the event worthy of being called the World Championship.
 
Steve,

Thanks for your input about the evet. I always like to see you do well at the events...next year you'll knock em dead. Bring a few pictures. We can work on the stories before you go :)

It was good seeing you in Vegas, even it was rather quick (at the slot machines right after Stacy's match).

Anyway I will be in FL at the Hard Rock hopefully I will see you there.

Mike H-

lol 80's... I'd be happy with that :)
 
Steve Lipsky said:
I want to say that Michael Felder is about the nicest, funniest guy I've ever met. It was truly a pleasure playing with him. Before each of our two matches, he pulled out a picture of his newborn son to show me. He joked that it would be mean to beat him because he has to feed his kid.
Good post Steve, thanks for sharing your experience.

I wonder if Michael Felder showed that photo to Jasmin. :rolleyes:

Tracy
 
the world is full of critics. i'm lookin forward to seeing the tapes for this tournament.

poolmouse
 
Hopefully this is a learning experience for all, and hopefully setbacks don't affect the future of 14.1
Everything learned makes for an even BETTER event the next time. (provided people learn)
Who knows how big this event could get in the future.
 
Steve,

Thanks for a player's perspective on the event!! I hope you fare better next year because you are truly a great 14.1 player!

Hope to see you in 3 weeks!!

Barbara
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Anyway, I just wanted to give a real nice thank you to Charlie, Randy, and Dragon for giving me a very fond memory and for doing such a wonderful thing for straight pool. I'll be back next year and hopefully I'll put on a better showing.

- Steve

SL,
Tap, tap, tap. Great report. Sorry you didn't stomp the field.

P.S. - What is your take on the difficulty of the equipment. Did the new cloth make things a little too easy? How deep was the pocket drop on the Gabriels tables???
 
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jjinfla said:
Doesn't Earl play straight pool? Or was it that he just wasn't invited?

Jake



I just had a few questions for my own curiousity. What was the cost for entry fees and how many people do they have? Also, Anyone have the pay outs?


Thanks,
 
Way to go Steve!.....I was pulling for ya. My friend is there keeping me updated hourly about whats going on on the sidelines, and I"m jealous! You made it there and played ...that's what counts. Next time you will know what to expect, and you'll beat em all:D

Gerry
 
jjinfla said:
Doesn't Earl play straight pool? Or was it that he just wasn't invited?

Jake

That would've been the last thing this tournament needed. There were already enough uncalled-for outbursts from famous players, who shall all remain nameless except of course for Jimmy Mataya (because his circus-show has already been discussed).

To answer the other question, here is the payout structure:

17th-24th: $500 (total of $4,000)
9th-16th: $1,500 (total of $12,000)
5th-8th: $2,500 (total of $10,000)
3rd-4th: $3,500 (total of $7,000)
2nd: $6,000
1st: $13,000

Total of $52,000 - exactly what was advertised. $32,000 in player entry fees plus the $20,000 added by Randy.

- Steve
 
Women Players in 14.1?

Thank you for all the great information.

I posted this in a different thread, but I'll ask it here since you may know the answer:

"Does anyone know the selection criteria for the 3 women who are playing the 14.1 world championships?

I can understand selecting Lee and Ouschan (sp?). But I'm unsure of Minerich's (sp?) qualifications (no disrespect to her).

And how about other top 14.1 female players from around the world: Shin Mei Liu, Allison Fisher, Helena Thornfeldt, etc... Why were some of these women not invited? Or were they and just declined?

Finally, how was it determined that only 3 female players would play? Why not 4, 7, or 12 (please not the randomness of these numbers)? Was it Dragon Promotions who made this decision (I'm guessing)? 3 just seems like an odd number and that makes adding them in very strange, in my opinion.

I'm just curious if anyone out there knows this information."
 
Steve Lipsky said:
I want to say that Michael Felder is about the nicest, funniest guy I've ever met. It was truly a pleasure playing with him. Before each of our two matches, he pulled out a picture of his newborn son to show me. He joked that it would be mean to beat him because he has to feed his kid. Then I joked back that it's probably not even his kid, that he just uses the picture to shark his opponents. Not to be bested, he retorted that if I beat him, he'd give the picture to me so I could use it for the rest of my matches. :)


That is absolutely hilarious, it sounds like everyone who participated in the event had a blast despite the minor setbacks.
 
I don't want to author the 1,000th 2006 14.1 Continuous Straight Pool Championship thread, but I was there as a spectator, and just finished up playing with a Buddie at my house.

As a new spectator of any pro event, I was really impressed with the quality of play. I was spoiled to see high runs of Thorsten Hohman - 174, and 134 and out by Mika Immonen, and just the overall play at the tournament. It was also nice when only one table was going at the end of the round with the slow paced Hunter vs. Engert, with Enget coming out on top.

Lots of things, including the game of straight, were introduced to a new shooter like me.

One thing that would have made it more enjoyable is if the program included some more background of the 64 shooters.

THE MOST important thing they could have done to improve game information is to at the very least put the names of the shooters on top of the lights for the final four tables. Some way of keeping score by the keepers above the lights would have been very helpful; It's my sad duty to report that myself and other spectators split half the time watching the match, and the other half trying to fingure out the score, or even worse, who it was playing. It really detracted from the enjoyment of the the matches.
 
So Gregg,

Would you rather watch the straight pool matches, or 8,9 or 10 ball matches?

I also think it would be nice if they could outfit each table light with 2 digital counters (like at the license bureau) to make score keeping easy and not such a distraction for the players and the fans.
 
Scottster said:
So Gregg,

Would you rather watch the straight pool matches, or 8,9 or 10 ball matches?

I also think it would be nice if they could outfit each table light with 2 digital counters (like at the license bureau) to make score keeping easy and not such a distraction for the players and the fans.

Yes, something along those like with the digital counters, like at your local deli, or (yikes!) DMV.

Being inexperienced, I think that it would have been easier for me to appreciate their skills with eight or nine ball, because I can relate to the game easier. That's because I don't understand very well the break shot setups, the intricate cue ball control on every shot, the pitfalls, the safeties. I have a little bit of that with eight and nine ball. Few people any more, it seems, do when it comes to straight.

It was funny to sit in the stands, and listed to the spectators, some of whom appeared to have little knowledge of the game, and even the games most basic rules and scoring.

I think some people were even trying to fake it!
 
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Steve, thanks for your comments. I'm glad you got to play -- I was really rooting you on! You're still my hero! :)

Alice Rim
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Anyway, I just wanted to give a real nice thank you to Charlie, Randy, and Dragon for giving me a very fond memory and for doing such a wonderful thing for straight pool. I'll be back next year and hopefully I'll put on a better showing.

- Steve

Nice post, Steve, and I totally agree. A few details missed hardly compromised the quality of this fine event. I also feel a geat debt of gratitude toward those who made it happen, and I took the trouble to congratulate all involved before I left yesterday.

Also, ditto on Michael Felder, the happy-go-lucky Austrian who seemed to make friends with every player and fan. What an amusing, personable, guy. We're going to miss him.
 
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