A hope for the future

[rackmsuckr]

There are three camps out there.

There are those that are blinded by the opportunity.
Those that love pool so much that they will accept any saviour.

then you have the self defeating, self loathing crowd, who detest what kt is and can only root for his demise, thus ensuring the end for pro players to really achieve a living wage.

the last crowd is the wait and see guys. These people are reasonable. They are going to defer judgement. They are skeptics and optimists, at the same time. Their hearts are at odds with their minds. They want succes, ut fear the worst. Time will tell.

rg

Hi NYCCD,

I think you left out one major group and that is the supportive, optimistic, but let's wait and see what it all means group. We have our eyes open, trust me. We are realists too, but the realistic part is that we know everyone has made mistakes and choose not to belabor small points that in the whole picture don't amount to much.

Let me give you a little example. I went to a women's $1000 added tournament. On the day of the tournament at the player's meeting, the TD announces that it is based on 64 women. Now when have you ever seen 64 women at a local tournament, other than the WPBA or Amateur Nationals? Two women had travelled over 1000 miles to attend. One had even called beforehand to confirm that the $1000 was being added. He basically said it was our fault for not calling in and asking if it was based on 64 women! The first flyers out did not say anything about it, but he caught it later and then posted those. So things get messed up even on a little local tournament. We weren't particularly happy about it, but we still played in it.

Now multiply all the different ways things can go wrong in a huge endeavor like the IPT and some things are going to fall by the wayside, and progress will move forward and change other things. Are things 100% accurate all the time? No! But in the grand scheme of things, it is not so heartbreaking that we can't adjust and go on.

If you are friends with Thorsten, then perhaps you realize that most of the players are in this fourth group. We have been around long enough to have a healthy dose of skepticism, while hoping against hope that things can change for the players that have scrounged around for years.

Bottom line is that the IPT has taken pool to a level never seen before. Major tournaments at major venues with major TV coverage and major, life-changing money is being won. Everything we have seen so far confirms that it is real. Little blips and growing pains along the way don't even track on the radar.

Until these naysayers try to put on the biggest show in town, then they can doubt all they want, but they certainly don't need to jump in EVERY thread with their 'Sky is falling' theories to try to bring everyone down. It seems the only thing these people have ever run are their mouths.

 

[Renegade]

well said, rg.

I for one, want the IPT to succeed. However, i still have some reservations on how they are going to do it.

Sure, let's be positive, let's be helpful, let's be grateful to KT for what he was done for pool. But let's not be naive also and just blindly go where the money is. If something bothers us about the arrangement, the plans, the general direction of the tour, then let us voice out our opinions and not be silent and cower and pray that KT forgive us for our insolence. If KT and his organization really cares for pool, then they will do well and listen to what others have to say and maybe improve upon the previous tours.

Please bear in mind that this is a mutually beneficial relationship. He is not doing this out of charity. He also expects a profit. And to do that he needs the pool players. So we still have a say. Likewise, it doesn't mean that we should bash him at every turn. Remember also that he doesn't need this aggravation. He can put his money elsewhere.

The important thing is to seek the win-win situation, where every stakeholder is happy, not just the players, not just the organizers, not just the operators of other tours and owners of pool-related establishments and businesses but pool in general.

We should all hope that pool makes it to the mainstream consciousness, given the attention it deserves, and finally, the respect of the whole world and the recognition as a legitimate sport as an Olympic Event!

 

[JAM]

...But gabber brings up some good points too. I disagree with most of what he says, partly because i don't like his tone and genearl nastiness about it, but can you really argue with his skepticism? And to ask him, however politely you did, to cease and desist expressing his negative opinion, is not right either....

Sorry, NYC Cue Dude, but I do disagree with you relating to the TONE and GENERAL NASTINESS of Gabber's posts.

As I stated in my post, maybe not as good as I could have, everyone is entitled to an opinion and should express it. I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER stated that Gabber should not express his opinion.

I did state, in so many words, that Gabber's responses on this thread were on the verge of being offensive.

And that is my opinion; thus, the reason I politely requested that Gabber cease and desist.

Again, I do think everyone is entitled to an opinion and should express themselves.

Let me be clear. When the opinions are worded in a way that is offensive in nature, nasty, mean-spirited, and/or personally targeting one poster, then I think those opinions fall in a different category, one that is more like being an antagonist. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM

 

[Gabber]

Sorry, NYC Cue Dude, but I do disagree with you relating to the TONE and GENERAL NASTINESS of Gabber's posts.

As I stated in my post, maybe not as good as I could have, everyone is entitled to an opinion and should express it. I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER stated that Gabber should not express his opinion.

I did state, in so many words, that Gabber's responses on this thread were on the verge of being offensive.

And that is my opinion; thus, the reason I politely requested that Gabber cease and desist.

Again, I do think everyone is entitled to an opinion and should express themselves.

Let me be clear. When the opinions are worded in a way that is offensive in nature, nasty, mean-spirited, and/or personally targeting one poster, then I think those opinions fall in a different category, one that is more like being an antagonist. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM

Jam, if i offended you I apologise. I,m often cynical, sarcastic and tounge-in-cheek and sometimes funny but its never my intention to be nasty to anyone.

Jam, this was thread was labelled as an IPT Feelgood thread ? but if you read the first 3 posts, you have to admit that it could sould like a' bash the IPT haters' thread!

"As I prepare to post this I cannot help but wonder if it will bring the body-slammers out of the woodwork. I fail to understand the joy that so many seem to gain by attempting to humiliate others."

"Well, you ain't gonna get a body-slam out of me! Instead, I'll give you a resounding Internet "tap, tap, tap."

It is disappointing for me to read some of the previously-posted IPT bashings, the majority of which are written by folks standing on the outside looking in. It has been said in some circles that "they don't have a clue" as to how the IPT has given a boost to the sport.
As I post on this thread, I too am wondering if the "regular" antagonist(s) will attempt to sabotage. "

"I agree with JAM 100% a good ole fashion TAP TAP TAP in sure in order here its so refreshing to see some good postive discussions about the IPT. I have always been supportive of the IPT but usually remain silent due the the fact i dont take kindly to negative posters, and i had to bite my tongue many times to keep from saying to them what i'd like to."

Gabber

 

[JAM]

Jam, if i offended you I apologise. I,m often cynical, sarcastic and tounge-in-cheek and sometimes funny but its never my intention to be nasty to anyone.

Gabber, thank you for your kind reply.

Admittedly, there is an ongoing debate about the pros and cons of the IPT.

Jam, this was thread was labelled as an IPT Feelgood thread ? but if you read the first 3 posts, you have to admit that it could sould like a' bash the IPT haters' thread!

When someone sets a strategic vision for an entity -- in this case, Kevin Trudeau setting a vision for the International Pool Tour -- we all know that it is the staff who takes that vision and makes it work.

With a brand-new entity such as the IPT, there may be changes made along the way. Sometimes these changes will be met with criticism, skepticism, and opinions relating to their validity, but we on the outside may be unaware of the reasoning for such changes.

I and the IPT member I live with have been personally attacked on this forum for stating opinion(s) about the IPT and Kevin Trudeau. As an example, I have been labeled as a "pool groupie" by one antagonist because of my association with an IPT member. There are times when I ignore trolls, crackpots, sucker-punchers, and clowns. However, I do value your contributions, Gabber, unlike the trolls, crackpots, sucker-punchers, and clowns. I hope you understand my stance on posts which may give the appearance of being antagonistic. I am in no way against any poster providing an opinion in a constructive manner, negative or positive.

JAM

 

[TheOne]

excellent post rg.

Hey you never know we may even reach the day where can make suggestions about how the IPT can improve without being called a hater!

 

[JAM]

excellent post rg.

Hey you never know we may even reach the day where can make suggestions about how the IPT can improve without being called a hater!

Better than being called a "pool groupie" at the age of 52, IMHO!

JAM

 

[TheOne]

Better than being called a "pool groupie" at the age of 52, IMHO!

JAM

Oh ok then.....IPTree Hugger!

 

[ScottW]

Gabber...

Vagabond is not Mr. Wilson. They happen to use the same avatar image. Pay more attention to who you're replying to - maybe folks will take you more seriously. :/

As far as the original thread goes... to paraphrase, "other event planners learning from KT's techniques" - possibly. I'd give the IPT a year or two of existence first, though. Otherwise, it's basically saying "Guys who have been doing this for years should learn from the guy who's done it once". Let's see how KT's spin on pool events pans out. I imagine there'll be trial and error - new ideas that don't work and get tossed, and other new ideas that work like a champ and become de facto standards for other event planners.

 

[ShootingArts]

you should love that

You should love being mistaken for a young misty eyed groupie. Just tell them to be danged sure they smile when they say that!

Hu

Better than being called a "pool groupie" at the age of 52, IMHO!

JAM

 

[vagabond]

Better than being called a "pool groupie" at the age of 52, IMHO!

JAM

In the eyes of this old man 52 is a puppy.

 

[Tom In Cincy]

I posted for everyone in the pool hall to see, the results/payouts and stats for all 200 players from the NA event. One observer pointed out that Marlon Manalo won the stats but lost the match.

The talk has been on the same level as any major tournament except for one big difference. $350,000.00 cannot be overlooked by even the most casual pool hall player.

The pool hall players that went to Vegas to spectate commented on how the event was FIRST Class and were all very impressed with how the players (99% of them anyway) conducted themselves as PROFESSIONALS.
The enviornment seemed to demand respect for the event.

The players were all demanded to endure 12 hour days, strict start times, score cards that had to be filled out and verified, limited 'breaks' and some of the toughest competition these players had ever faced in one tournament.

Many of us that couldn't be there, had to rely on the updates from the IPT website for the progress of the rounds. I found this to be exciting and frustrating at that same time. I was very envious of the other pool enthusists around the world watching the TV LIVE while I waited for the updates.

IMO this first event was very successful and that the next event in Reno should be even better (which I plan to attend).

The feedback (good or bad) will only help the future events will be better.

Keep the nitpicking up, keep up the negative posts, keep pointing out all the problems the IPT has now and when these problems have been resolved find more. Feedback will only help ensure the success for the IPT and KT.

 

[vagabond]

The feedback (good or bad) will only help the future events will be better.

Keep the nitpicking up, keep up the negative posts, keep pointing out all the problems the IPT has now and when these problems have been resolved find more. Feedback will only help ensure the success for the IPT and KT.

good comment
AZBilliards proram did NOT allow me to give u reputation points for that comment and it wants me to spread it to others

 

[TheOne]

good comment
AZBilliards proram did NOT allow me to give u reputation points for that comment and it wants me to spread it to others

I agree Tom and Vag, you pretty much summed up my phillosophy, we have already seen many improvements. For the most part I think the IPT do use the forum as a barometer of public opinion.

 

[TheOne]

"A real monopoly requires the cooperation of coercive regulatory policies from the state."

Sorry Colin, I majored in economics and I think what you just said or quoted from some buffoon is pure baloney. Just look at US history back in the days when monopolies were not illegal. They were pure ruthless and didn't need jack from any state or federal government. It's all about power in the marketplace - and back in those day's it was indeed a free market place.

"All be based on voluntary cooperation." That's the way today's monopolies work. They swoon everybody, suck you in, run everybody else out of business, and before you know it they own the marketplace lock, stock, and barrell. This is a short sighted view. Baloney!

Personally, I think you have been living outside the country for too long .

Cheers, WW

I blame it on his lack of access to the BBC!