As I understand, potting is synonimous with pocketing. An aiming system can be used to aim at a point on a rail to initiate a bank.
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As I understand, potting is synonimous with pocketing. An aiming system can be used to aim at a point on a rail to initiate a bank.
This goes back to the days of RSB. Back as far as I can remember (mid 1990's) JB would eventually issue a challenge or a bet in a long thread after lots of debate and argument. It's his M.O.. Or a staple of his. Guaranteed to happen. Most heated threads result in bets or challenges. But back then, we didn't have the internet like we do now with videos, so he would offer challenges or bets to people the next time he would be in their city or town.
John probably loathes me for my opinions of custom cues and aiming systems, but I don't hate him. I agree with a lot of what he says. Just not all of it. But who agrees with anyone 100%? I think John knows a lot about pool, more than most people could hope to. He is also the greatest case maker. But my oh my, does he get a little emotional and OCD in these pool debates. It's nothing new.
I'd take 3 JB's over 1 Patrick Johnson.At least JB is not condescending and incapable of ever admitting he is wrong to the point of spinning and spinning. Sorry Pat, if you're out there you're also a knowledgeable guy that I respect your info and logic. He's has been a great contributor, but pride gets in the way sometimes. No one is perfect. I admit that I can be a little incendiary. I'm not trolling, but I do like to "myth" bust at least as I see it, and that tends to result in picking on what some feel is sacred.
Sorry, got a little nostalgic there. I just don't want any bitterness or this getting too PERSONAL. I don't think anyone here is an idiot or a jerk because of what they believe. We just have different ideas. I learned a lot, lot, lot from you guys, Bob, Fred, Lou, Ron, John, Pat, Mike, David et al from back on RSB. I just want to say thank you.
<---trying to keep things in perspective.
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I don't hate you Lou. I don't even know what you are referring to about custom cues. I just think you have made a lot off unnecessary comments about good people. You could have made your case without those defamations.
Regarding offering to bet that's how we do it in the poolroom. You know me well enough to know I offered poolsharkallen the nuts but he isn't enough of a player to recognize them.
I mean at some point you have to put up or shut up I think. Aiming system proponents have been putting up for years. Which is fine because it has only made us stronger and created a lot more resources.
www.jbcases.com
Um, ok. Pool table - real. Balls - real. Cue - real. Center of cueball - real. Edge of balls - real. Pockets - real.
Instructions to get into shot position - real.
Results - real.
www.jbcases.com
This goes back to the days of RSB. Back as far as I can remember (mid 1990's) JB would eventually issue a challenge or a bet in a long thread after lots of debate and argument. It's his M.O.. Or a staple of his. Guaranteed to happen. Most heated threads result in bets or challenges. But back then, we didn't have the internet like we do now with videos, so he would offer challenges or bets to people the next time he would be in their city or town.
John probably loathes me for my opinions of custom cues and aiming systems, but I don't hate him. I agree with a lot of what he says. Just not all of it. But who agrees with anyone 100%? I think John knows a lot about pool, more than most people could hope to. He is also the greatest case maker. But my oh my, does he get a little emotional and OCD in these pool debates. It's nothing new.
I'd take 3 JB's over 1 Patrick Johnson.
Sorry, got a little nostalgic there. I just don't want any bitterness or this getting too PERSONAL. I don't think anyone here is an idiot or a jerk because of what they believe. We just have different ideas. I learned a lot, lot, lot from you guys, Bob, Fred, Lou, Ron, John, Pat, Mike, David et al from back on RSB. I just want to say thank you.
<---trying to keep things in perspective.
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GC, thanks for the nostalgia. RSB was great while it lasted. So thank you for the mention.
As to John... well, John is, if nothing else, predictable with his challenges and long winded rants, all the while misunderstanding or not recognizing the feelings or reactions of others. He is kind of like the family member with Asperger Syndrome -- active but odd
Lou Figueroa
Exactly Roger. If someone can bank $20, $30, $40K with a DVD, well... it ain't all gold.
Lou Figueroa
You should just try being a little more responsible, John.
Even though I know off the top of my head exactly in which post, in which thread, I made the statement you are alluding to, highlighting your irresponsibility and lack of due diligence is worth more. People who follow these aiming threads know I would not say that ;-)
Lou Figueroa
You shouldn't have made this post john above, because the more you guys annoy me the more i will out you or spidey or any other cte guy.
im just tired of trying to stay loyal to guys like you and spider and the others that think they no everything but yet i always fight alone on here and watch you guys give out miss information and trash me!. Its just time to fix things and im pretty much the only guy that can since all of you really smart guys think im an idiot and i no nothing lol
be careful or i will make a video of the system you use and you will be eating a lot of words that you have posted in the last year or so. its best you call me a retard and your going to put me on ignore or just dont respond to this post to save face.
Huh? Do what you want to do. I always admit that I don't do the system the "right" way. I am more than happy to learn what I am doing wrong and do it a better way. Please make me eat my words. Anything you do will only be more content for people like me, aiming nerds, to digest and think about.
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JC
Coos Cues
For the life of me I can't understand what the debate is all about. Grilled Cheese is 100% correct. CTE has two lines of aim. These are a geometrical constant. No debate there. Then comes the all important pivot. This varies from person to person depending on stance, grip, bridge length etc. This is almost the exact definition of feel in a pool discussion. A person is making a horizontal adjustment at an arbitrary point in space. No two people can do this the same. So to put the system together for the results described, each user of the system must find this pivot feel. Say it's the ease with which many folks find this feel that makes it so useful but please don't say it's not a feel based system. That is not a supportable conclusion by any imaginable standard.
I think that some people who follow these threads know exactly what you said and where you said it and they agree completely that my paraphrased version accurately captures your sentiment as pertains to what level of proof you would accept. That level being essentially none.
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But what was I talking about in my original statement? I note that on this issue you are not issuing one of your otherwise predictable bets ;-)
From my review of the Pro1 DVD:
"For me, in all honesty, if Mosconi hisself came back from the grave and told me this was the greatest thing since sliced bread I’d tell him to go back and take a nap. This one is not a keeper, for me, and if anyone wants to buy a lightly used copy for $30, shipping included, please PM me for a PayPal address."
Lou Figueroa
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You were calling Stan Shuffet a con artist and said that if Willie Mosconi were to rise and endorse Stan's information you would tell Willie to go back to sleep.
If I am wrong you can post the link.
www.jbcases.com
In your original misquote you said: "if Willie Mosconi himself rose from the grave and said that Aiming Systems are great, I would tell him to go back to sleep."
So, in the first instance, I wasn't talking about aiming systems in general.
What I said was: if Willie Mosconi told me *Pro1* was the greatest thing since sliced bread I would not believe him. Big difference. Not that I would expect you to recognize the distinction ;-)
Lou Figueroa
feel free to apologize
for the misquote
anytime, John
This is a thread where you claim all aiming systems are useless.
Your problem is that it is filled full of posts saying you are wrong.
Look how much fun you and these other guys have been having on the internet, how long has the internet been around? embracing advancement is a great thing, wouldn't you agree? could you imagine any guy who was anti internet back in the day, how dumb is he, maybe dumber than me lol
pssst, i know that was for me
Yep, I knew you'd chime in here, champ. Thanks for the intro.
What did I say in my post that would make you believe that I am anti-internet? For that matter, what makes you believe that I am anti-anything at all, except for being opposed to those people with products and services for sale who are too cheap to buy an ad with AZB, or to contribute to the site's betterment in any other way, but will go ahead and use these forums for free advertising and then get others to be their pitch men.
And before you go asking me what business it is of mine whether or not this site is successful, I'll just go ahead and explain it to you now. Mike Howerton owns this site. Mike Howerton and I have been close friends for years. I was here when this site began. I was one of Mike's first contributing writers. Mike and I still work closely together (I write for his local billiard newspaper). Mike is also on my pool team. Mike and I have even played scotch doubles together. So as I said, Mike is my close friend, and I do care about my friend's welfare, and I will not shy away from saying something on his behalf even when he is too polite to do it for himself.
If it is honorable for you and others to defend your personal aiming systems and the authors of those systems, then it is honorable for me to defend AZBilliards and the owner of AZBilliards.
Roger
The Original Dinosaur
It's also filled full of posts agreeing with him. I guess you only read the ones you wanted to read.
Roger
I'm not joking at all. What would the author have to lose if his/her product is valid? If what they have to offer is for sale at a price, and then they use these forums to advertise their products for free, then they should be willing to personally come on here and defend their own products; just as you do, John.
Roger
The Original Dinosaur