A lot of ivory....?

[Fatboy]

there are more elephants alive today since record keeping started in around the later 1800's, sure in some war torn areas the elephants are gone, african elephants kill many people every year, i have lived in Zimbabwe for about 6 months and know whats going on, i didnt get my info from sappy TV channel telling you to donate your $$$ to the WWF to save the elephants, I have shot 14 of them, I was almost killed once, in contrastthe Asian elephants are docile animals and shoukldnt be hunted as there is no risk or hunt-you would just walk up and shot it, i have never just walked up to an elephant and shot it, the african Govts are very aware of how many elephants thet are and protect them, some of th $$$ you pay to shoot one goes into anti-poaching efforts, no protein in africa goes to waste, elephant meat is good, most of it is a bit tough but when you know the right cuts its great. harvesting ivory to them is like peaches in Georgia, they dont cut down the trees nor do the africans over hunt the elephants as they know they need the resource for years to come, a good elephnt hunt plus a few other animals costs $50,000 to 125,000 for a 30 day hunt, i have been on 7 hunts. Its african countrys main resource for forex (outside $$$$). American TV is playing on peoples emotions and grabbing the cash, its a scam. Go live there like I did and you'll see first hand what i'm talking about, i wasnt oin a hotel, rather a crude camp in the middle of no where, it can take over a month to find a masture bull with big tusks, for every elephant you see perhaps one is shootable, the concession operators can get into deep shit if a client shoots a jumos(young male elephant).

there are whearhouses if ivory in Zim and sometimes they auction it off other times they burn it, they control the market on ivory like the oippenheimer family who owns debeers in the diamond trade, its a cold cruel world out there, but not infront of a TV 12,000 miles away.

 

[1pRoscoe]

there are more elephants alive today since record keeping started in around the later 1800's, sure in some war torn areas the elephants are gone, african elephants kill many people every year, i have lived in Zimbabwe for about 6 months and know whats going on, i didnt get my info from sappy TV channel telling you to donate your $$$ to the WWF to save the elephants, I have shot 14 of them, I was almost killed once, in contrastthe Asian elephants are docile animals and shoukldnt be hunted as there is no risk or hunt-you would just walk up and shot it, i have never just walked up to an elephant and shot it, the african Govts are very aware of how many elephants thet are and protect them, some of th $$$ you pay to shoot one goes into anti-poaching efforts, no protein in africa goes to waste, elephant meat is good, most of it is a bit tough but when you know the right cuts its great. harvesting ivory to them is like peaches in Georgia, they dont cut down the trees nor do the africans over hunt the elephants as they know they need the resource for years to come, a good elephnt hunt plus a few other animals costs $50,000 to 125,000 for a 30 day hunt, i have been on 7 hunts. Its african countrys main resource for forex (outside $$$$). American TV is playing on peoples emotions and grabbing the cash, its a scam. Go live there like I did and you'll see first hand what i'm talking about, i wasnt oin a hotel, rather a crude camp in the middle of no where, it can take over a month to find a masture bull with big tusks, for every elephant you see perhaps one is shootable, the concession operators can get into deep shit if a client shoots a jumos(young male elephant).

there are whearhouses if ivory in Zim and sometimes they auction it off other times they burn it, they control the market on ivory like the oippenheimer family who owns debeers in the diamond trade, its a cold cruel world out there, but not infront of a TV 12,000 miles away.

pfffft... I could care less about finding a mature bull.... give me a baby and I'll shoot the shit out of it.... twice.

 

[Fatboy]

pfffft... I could care less about finding a mature bull.... give me a baby and I'll shoot the shit out of it.... twice.

there is nothing cuter than a baby elephant, for the first 3-4 weeks they cant use their trunks, their skin is smooth and soft and if mom is near by your a grease spot in the bush, man african elephants a re a grumbly bunch of animals, the cows are much smaller but much more agressive, especially the tuskless ones, its a recessive genitic problem in some areas of africa 25% of cows are tuskless other areas you awalys see tuskd, the ivory on a baby elephant would be good for 1 ferrel/tusk.

elephants are amazimg their body shgape height length ivory differ alot from area to area, tusk sise is like D$#* size, bigger elephants dont have bigger tusks, older elephants do but alot of them are broken off. they communicate, the heards of cows and calfs make sounds and have body languagerthey read from each other, the big old bulls with the best ivory are few and far between, as most die of old age-hence the wearhouses of tusks, in certain areas there are just to many elephants and they do cull missions, the ivory is theroperty of the govt. its corrupt, but what isnt in africa? Africa is like pool until you lived it you cant fully explain it.

 

[bigskyjake]

pfffft... I could care less about finding a mature bull.... give me a baby and I'll shoot the shit out of it.... twice.

OH MY GOD, I LAUGHED SO HARD I ALMOST SHIT MYSELF

REP TO YOU SIR

 

[8ballEinstein]

Thank you Fatboy,

Your experience with Africa and elephants carry some weight in this thread. I appreciate your contribution here.

 

[butterflycues]

Ivory

I was searching around on AzBilliards, and saw peoples selling cues with statements like "a lot of ivory". There are also a lot of US peoples who like there cues with many ivory inlays.

Sorry, but I just hate those peoples. Do you guys know that they kill animals to get those ivory? Yes, there is legal ivory in the market. But if peoples like to buy them there is and will also be an illegal market for those items. I will not believe 50% of the cues made has legal ivory inlays. So why still buying them? Are you guys really heartless?

I know, what am I talking about. Most of the US peoples buy cars that needs gallons of petrol to run. Don't give any sh*t of our environment. But think about it, would you still buy a cue with ivory? One thing I'm really sure, I will never buy a cue with any ivory inlay, joint or ferrule on it.

You are wrong about there not being a lot of legal ivory. There have been millions of elephants killed over the years and most of them were killed by american and British hunters. A lot of that ivory is still sitting in our countrys on some old rich persons wall or in museums that haven't folded yet. We have not elephants in our country other than in the zoo. Were not killing them, the people in the countrys that have them are the ones killing them. Why is it that people want to come to the US to belly ache about everything and then when we try to help out they blame us for the whole thing. Go to the people who are doing the killing to complain. Just my opinon. Butterflycues

 

[poolfire]

i once

i once took an elephant shi t. it hurt, but lost 3 lbs. from it!!

 

[Fatboy]

Thank you Fatboy,

Your experience with Africa and elephants carry some weight in this thread. I appreciate your contribution here.

thanks i have typed that response several times i'm gonna save it for the next time it comes up, everything i wrote there is true, i have seen it with my own eyes, I own about 500pounds of LEGAL ivory I have the CITIES permits, I didnt go into more detail about ivory and elephants, i could if they here at AZ would make it a permant article, most aftican hunters arnt pool players and viceversa, I'm the exception, and there is as much to learn about elephant hunting as there is pool, its not just walking up and blasting a helpless animal on the bring of extenction like the balck rhino's are.

if AZ would make my article on ivory and elephants permant so when this comes up again it can be refered to I will, it will only be truthful information based on facts, nothing made up by me to fill in the blanks, there shouldnt be any, i have spoken to alot of cue makers about what they are looking for in ivory, i have seen a post here where the person stated the elephants diet has something to do with the color of the ivory . I could gladly concisly clear up alot of issues.


fatboy

 

[hangemhigh]

have seen a post here where the person stated the elephants diet has something to do with the color of the ivory . I could gladly concisly clear up alot of issues.

That was me,Fatboy. I learned this from 2 sources,McDaniel and Warther,so I am quoting them. Bill always insisted on Ivory from West Africa because he thought the Elephant's diet produced the creamy white Ivory he used in his cues. The Ivory he used in His cues was often mistaken for Man-made material because of this.

 

[Fatboy]

have seen a post here where the person stated the elephants diet has something to do with the color of the ivory . I could gladly concisly clear up alot of issues.

That was me,Fatboy. I learned this from 2 sources,McDaniel and Warther,so I am quoting them. Bill always insisted on Ivory from West Africa because he thought the Elephant's diet produced the creamy white Ivory he used in his cues. The Ivory he used in His cues was often mistaken for Man-made material because of this.

where on the west coast? Big ivory typically comes from the east coast Mozembique and Keyna, I do have a very old set of Keyna tusks that are much brighter than the Botswana and Zimbabwe tusks i have, So there is merit to the color from region to region there is a big difference in the diameter and length depending on the region as well.

in your post, perhaps I misread it-It sounded like growth rings(for lack of a better word) of different colors, i must have mis understood you, elephants travel 1000's of miles each year and eat about the same things everywhere, there digestion is very in efficant, they eat the bark off of trees killing trees where ever they go, and they eat thorn bushes as well, in their spoor you can see that very little is digested perhaps 20%.

When you do get close to the nerve channel and just above it the ivory is infact bright white and explains why alot of ferrels are have a brite white streak in them, as they are cut from those areas of the tusk, if you go up half way between the tip and where the nerve channel ends the ivory will have less grain and is good for butt caps,


Ivory it also like peoples teeth some people have white teath and some dont depends on your genitics

 

[cueaddicts]

I buy ivory laden cues from reputable cuemakers. I have discussed C.I.T.E.S. certificates and found sufficient proof that the ivory being used is pre-ban. The prices are very high because this product is so rare. Ivory has become a necessary point of emphasis when discussing the value of a cue. When I say "lots of ivory" I am not touting the killing of an animal, or condoning a trade in unlawful materials...I am speaking in the parlance of cue evaluation.

Hate me if you wish, but I am sensative to many issues that affect life and the environment. If you want to take an extremist's point of view, you should spend time at another forum. Ours may be open to respectful discourse, but if you are here to call me evil, or worthy of your hatred, I suggest you look closely in the mirror first.

I volunteer at a local animal shelter and actually DO things to better my community... yet I collect cues with ivory in them. My ebony and ivory box cue is black and white...but I am not. Until you consider that possibility, there is little, if anything at all, you will accomplish to change my perspective. Your judgmental attitude only cheapens the cause that you claim to be supporting.

Great post, Gian. Rep to you !!

To the original poster....you are simply ignorant, uninformed. Do your research about custom cues made by legitimate American cuemakers before posting this. I don't know what goes on in other countries, but I suspect that you might want to vent your frustrations there instead. From all the information I have researched (and that's quite a bit), the US will not be the downfall of the elephant...you need to look elsewhere for that.

Ivory is very controlled her in the US. Sure, it's possible that illegal ivory is being used here, and if that's the case, personally I feel they those people should be exposed. Ivory is very expensive and is just that because pre-ban and legal ivory is a rare commodity with restrictions on its acquisition and transport.