A none murdered animal cue please.

seb9 said:
It's fine, i got all the information i needed out of the thread out of those who actually helped me with this subject.

Sorry to say smokeandapancak but you offered me no help but yet you are the one who's complaining that this thread is now off topic.

So much irony going on here.
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dude I told you 200 and some odd post ago that any cuemaker can make you any kinda cue you want.....with what ever in it... guess you neede it said to you by 23 other people before it settled in....

I was also the first one to bring to your attention that tips are LEATHER....
wouldnt want a good vegan going bad....

I am not complaining about this thread .. i am kinda enjoying it. did you see the Pee WEE Herman quote earlier... THAT REALLY HAPPENED.. can you belivie that .. IT REALLY HAPPENED:D
 
Well i haven't seen you contribute anything in this thread bigskyjake except a few bad jokes here and there :0
 
smokeandapancak.

I'm sorry but you couldn't sell to me the idea that you care with your statement (wouldnt want a good vegan going bad....) it's obvious what is going on here, i am not being accepted for my choices and you know what, it's all good.

I do what i do for my reasons that are not concerned to anyone other then me, same goes for all of you who choose to eat meat.

I just won't make bad jokes on the behalf of your choices, to each his own.

This is the same as if someone would not be accepted if he didn't smoke tobbaco, be part of the gang you know, do the same as everyone else to be considered one of the gang.

Well, not me.
 
smokeandapancak said:
dude I told you 200 and some odd post ago that any cuemaker can make you any kinda cue you want.....with what ever in it... guess you neede it said to you by 23 other people before it settled in....
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Huh, i didn't see you say that, maybe you changed avatar or something?
 
Ok, guys... time to stop.

Seb, I asked you where you draw the line.

What parts of what dead creatures ( plants and animal ) fall under acceptable to you.....and why?
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Seb, I asked you where you draw the line.

What parts of what dead creatures ( plants and animal ) fall under acceptable to you.....and why?
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Well i wouldn't want to explain myself as to why i don't agree with exploiting animals, that's not for this forum.

But i can tell you that unfortunately, there are things that are made with animal products that they could make with out them but they don't because of profits and such.

What i find acceptable is no animals being killed at all for any reasons period but of course i can't force this on the world and i don't.

But I am not the only one who thinks like this.

The way i see it, we are not more special then any living beings out there, i view all animals as equals.
 
Now perhaps it's time to close this thread down seeing as how all the valuable information has been said a bunch of pages down appart from the bad jokes and the insults.

Now, let's talk pool, in other threads.

Peace.
 
seb9 said:
Don't you guys realize that they kill animals to make these cues....

They kill elephants to make your precious ivory cues... elephants are the most peaceful animals on this planet... they are herbivores and they don't harm other species... and yet humans kill them to make cues that could be made even more beautiful with out having to kill a utopia animal like an elephant.

Does no one care about this at all?

Poor elephants...

very sad.


Anyone knows good cues that aren't made with dead elephants? can you please suggest me a few if you don't mind? Thanks.

By the way, I'm not trying to insult anyone, i was just wondering if I'm the only one who cares?
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How dare you want an implement that requires the murder
of a Maple tree. Have you no shame?

Dale
 
Ok, but do you put as much effort into finding ( and ask for proof ) that no animal parts were used in other products? ( clothes, shoes etc. )

Why single out elephants and ivory, when if it is legal, it is pre embargo and these are dead long, long ( documented ) ago? None of the cues that ivory might be used in is contributing to the death of elephants right now in any measurable way, so I question the validity of your concern.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Ok, but do you put as much effort into finding ( and ask for proof ) that no animal parts were used in other products? ( clothes, shoes etc. )

Why single out elephants and ivory, when if it is legal, it is pre embargo and these are dead long, long ( documented ) ago? None of the cues that ivory might be used in is contributing to the death of elephants right now in any measurable way, so I question the validity of your concern.
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Yes i put as much effort into other things in life, but it's not related to pool is it?

Well the thing is, i was looking for cues and ivory was the only thing i could see in how a cue was being made as a dead animal product on the cue and so i got frustrated and started this thread and the result lead me to understand that no ivory is being used in most cues, it's mock ivory or recon ivory and so the thread served it's purpose as far as I'm concern.
 
seb... just so you are clear, there are a lot of high-end cues that have real elephant ivory in them.
 
As to your last statment that all animals are equal, and that we are no more special than any other explains everything to me. If my house were burning down, and my cat were inside, I would attempt to get it out by calling it out, not by risking my life to jump in and save it. If it were another human, I'd jump right in. Every animal is not equal. Would you defend the life of any animal being faced with death? If you saw a bear in the process of killing a deer, would you shoot the bear to save the deer?

My opinion is this, and it is a strong one. People were created in the image of God, and we are not animals. We are different and separate above all animals. People who treat animals like people treat other people like animals.

I understand your opinion but strongly disagree with it. I am a Cajun, and eat just about anything that doesn't eat me first. Elephant populations in areas where they live in the wild are regulated by the governments to ensure that they are not overpopulated. We do compete with them for land, and they can devastate a landscape and turn areas into virtual deserts. I don't condone the killing of an elephant simply for the ivory, likewise I do not condone killing a deer just for the size of its rack or any other "trophy" kill. I think you should eat what you shoot, and I do.

Good luck in finding a cue. I think I gave you sound advise in my post about the Blue Book.
 
cigardave said:
seb... just so you are clear, there are a lot of high-end cues that have real elephant ivory in them.
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Just so you are clear, you should read a lot of pages on this thread, a lot of people told me every possible situations there is about cues and such, i now know how to find a cue with out real ivory and find a cue with real ivory, and i won't get one with ivory of course.
 
typing/keyboarding 101...

whitey2 said:
Isn't it amazing how a little typo can change the whole meaning
of the post. (I'm assuming it was a typo, if not, never mind!)
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I think he is just letting you in on the joke.
How likely is it after all, that you would hit the "a"
when aiming for the "u"

This clown is so obviously a troll it's blinding

Dale Pierce
 
Cuenut, when i do things, i do them because i look inward and do what i know is right for me.

I don't do things because of religion, i don't do things because of the state of world, i live my individual reality the way feels natural to me.

just because the world is messed up does not dictate me doing things that goes against my natural spiritual integrity.
 
pdcue said:
How dare you want an implement that requires the murder
of a Maple tree. Have you no shame?

Dale
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Well, since I haven't contributed anything to this thread, I thought I'd continue to not contribute anything :)

website said:
Link
Do Plants And Vegetables Feel?
One of the more unusual questions received recently by the Department of Extension Horticulture from the public was, “Do plants and vegetables feel?”
Dr. Frank Dainello, Professor and Extension Vegetable Specialist, gave this reply:

“Your request for information on the subject ‘Do plants and vegetables feel?’ was forwarded to me for response.
Your topic is an interesting one and can be addressed from several points of view: religious, philosophical, or scientific. It can be confusing, especially when man attempts to equate plant and animal life in the same terms as human. For some reason, in today’s politically correct society, sane reasoning is in short supply. Although I have a Doctorate of Philosophy, I am not a philosopher, and since I am no religious scholar, I will attempt to address this topic scientifically.

As a recent infamous President of the US posed, the answer to the question is in the definition of the words of the request. It is doubtful that plants feel in the same manner as humans. It is true that they do not have a nervous system. However, they do respond to experienced stimuli. These responses are call tropisms.

For example, plants tend to grow toward or face a light source. Does this mean they are afraid of the dark? No, it is the result of auxin or growth-promoting chemical concentrating on the dark side of a plant which, in turn, causes this side to grow faster than the side exposed to the light.

Plants do respond to injury. When wounded, their respiration rate increases just as it does initially when humans are injured. However, the increase is due to an increase in the use of stored food reserves in an attempt to repair the damage or to grow new cells. If the injury is too severe, the physiological food-conversion responses are disrupted and death occurs. Often human respiration rates increase as a result of the mind’s influence on perceived consequences from an injury or a potential injury. Thus far, no one has been able to identify a single structure or organ in a plant that can be equated with the human brain, the organism responsible for human thought (some might suggest that certain cell structures are analogous to the brain in that they control cell responses, but that’s a real stretch).

Plants such as the tomato also have been known to abort their young! Although these abortions are often the result of stresses, they are physiological stresses and not emotional. For instance, fruit abortion is a defense mechanism of the plant to insure it will have sufficient water and nutrients to be able to mature a few fruit, rather than attempt to mature all of its fruits and cause none of them to make it. Developing fruit have a huge water demand. As a result of water shortages due to droughts, the plant growth is essentially shut down and fruit-drop occurs. All plant responses are a direct effect of chemical reactions!!

A tomato is still alive when removed from the vine. Evidence for this is its ability to develop color. If it were in a state of panic due the trauma of being removed from the vine and the fear of being eaten, I would suspect it would refuse or be unable to continue to mature. It would probably just shrivel up and die, at least that would be the human reaction.

In summary, I will utilize the Philosophy portion of my degree and offer some opinions.

Thus far, no one has been able to document a soul or a conscience of a tomato. Without these how can murder exist? If a plant were to have a soul or conscience, all animals in the wild would be vicious murderers, and deserve to be relegated to extinction in payment for their infringement on the rights of the defenseless weaker species (plants) they eat. Oops! They should be imprisoned for life since no being has no right to take the life of another. Or, perhaps man should be made to experience extinction because after all, plants and animals feel pain and suffering, and since man causes so much of it he should be removed from the planet. It can be easily accomplished, we just don’t eat anything living, or that was once alive!”
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I like the last paragraph the best.

Cheers,
RC
 
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